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Vangel Ship Bonus Question
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Arrigo Glokta
#1 - 2011-09-22 16:12:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrigo Glokta
Ok - so I just noticed the Vangel variation of the Maller.

"Role Bonus: 50% bonus to repair amount of armor repair systems and 50% bonus to missile launcher rate of fire."

Noob question coming up....

Ok, so I understand the Armor Rep bonus.... if my module reps 10 hp/s, + 50% bonus (5), it now reps 15 hp/s.

How does the percentage work with Missile Launcher Rate of Fire. It got me thinking about how the Rate of fire bonuses from other soources are applied too.

lets say my rate of fire is 10 (i.e. 10 secs between shots).
50% of 10 = 5
Current Rate of Fire 10 - 5 (50% bonus) = New Rate of Fire 5.

So that 50% bonus has increased the number of missiles I fire by 100%Ugh

Is that how it works?

I obviously cant pilot one yet, but it looks sweet on paper.
NoNah
Hyper-Nova
#2 - 2011-09-22 16:24:21 UTC
Arrigo Glokta wrote:
Ok - so I just noticed the Vangel variation of the Maller.

"Role Bonus: 50% bonus to repair amount of armor repair systems and 50% bonus to missile launcher rate of fire."

Noob question coming up....

Ok, so I understand the Armor Rep bonus.... if my module reps 10 hp/s, + 50% bonus (5), it now reps 15 hp/s.

How does the percentage work with Missile Launcher Rate of Fire. It got me thinking about how the Rate of fire bonuses from other soources are applied too.

lets say my rate of fire is 10 (i.e. 10 secs between shots).
50% of 10 = 5
Current Rate of Fire 10 - 5 (50% bonus) = New Rate of Fire 5.

So that 50% bonus has increased the number of missiles I fire by 100%Ugh

Is that how it works?

I obviously cant pilot one yet, but it looks sweet on paper.



Yes, that is how it works. Keep in mind there's no more than 50 of them in game(they were the prize for winning AT9). They typically sell for 25-35b
Othran
Route One
#3 - 2011-09-22 16:27:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Othran
You never will pilot one - well unless you come up with 50billion or so. The Vangel is an Alliance Tournament prize - there are only 50 in existence.

On your other question - best answer is go get EFT (Eve Fitting Tool) and play around. However your logic is correct, its just that not all the bonuses in Eve work the way the description sounds - it depends who wrote it in some cases, programmer or game designer.

Best to play with EFT, makes life simpler.

Edit - they're cheaper than I thought Lol
Goose99
#4 - 2011-09-22 16:37:46 UTC
Othran wrote:

Edit - they're cheaper than I thought Lol


Lol, many people can afford it. I can too, if only barely. Although not many people have enough isk that they're willing to buy something that wouldn't be undocked... especially now that CCP removed ship spinning, lol.

Speaking of undocking, I saw a Mimir in Amar incursion system last night, off a station. He docked before I was able to get together a suicide gang capable of taking it though. The thing is small, tough, and keeps moving.P
NoNah
Hyper-Nova
#5 - 2011-09-22 17:06:55 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
The thing is small, tough, and keeps moving.P


Not to mention useless.
Goose99
#6 - 2011-09-22 17:27:18 UTC
NoNah wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
The thing is small, tough, and keeps moving.P


Not to mention useless.


Man, the idiot was advertising in incursion channel too. Everyone thought it was just troll at first. Would've been so sweet if the gank went through. Imagine the tears...
Othran
Route One
#7 - 2011-09-22 17:37:19 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Othran wrote:

Edit - they're cheaper than I thought Lol


Lol, many people can afford it. I can too, if only barely. Although not many people have enough isk that they're willing to buy something that wouldn't be undocked... especially now that CCP removed ship spinning, lol.

Speaking of undocking, I saw a Mimir in Amar incursion system last night, off a station. He docked before I was able to get together a suicide gang capable of taking it though. The thing is small, tough, and keeps moving.P


Kudos to Podcat (Morel Nova) for actually using and losing an AT prize frigate - he's one of the few who have, he had some fun too.

Was a 30b loss at the time but the best comment at the time I saw was :

"Sir you are now an Eve legend".

Its only iskies but 30b is probably near enough 1000€ these days - if you were to engage in RMT, which you can't without breaking the EULA. Not that anyone has allegedly ever bought houses out of RMT or anything like that Roll
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#8 - 2011-09-22 18:03:33 UTC
The Vangel is what the Legion HAM config should be.

Sincerely hope CCP gets their fingers out of their collective body cavities and sort out the disturbingly poor implementation of the T3's.
Aamrr
#9 - 2011-09-22 18:06:32 UTC
That might have something to do with the fact that the Tengu gets a 7.5% RoF bonus that applies to both HAMs and HMLs, where the Legion only gets a 5% bonus to HAMs.

In case you're wondering, that correlates to about a 20% DPS difference between the two ships -- before you consider that a Tengu will be able to fit more ballistic control units.
Alexandria Aesirial
Fancypants Inc
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2011-09-22 18:57:44 UTC
Aamrr wrote:
That might have something to do with the fact that the Tengu gets a 7.5% RoF bonus that applies to both HAMs and HMLs, where the Legion only gets a 5% bonus to HAMs.

In case you're wondering, that correlates to about a 20% DPS difference between the two ships -- before you consider that a Tengu will be able to fit more ballistic control units.

Please do post a tengu ham fit for pvp that has more than 2 BCUs.

It's only blobbing when you lose, otherwise it's good fleet comp.
Aamrr
#11 - 2011-09-22 19:13:30 UTC
Considering that a 5-launcher Tengu has 5 low-slots and nothing to spend them on except a damage control, ballistic controls and maybe powergrid, I really shouldn't have to do this. A 100MN tengu uses way more powergrid than HAMs do, and it can manage three ballistic controls with ease.

Supposing, again, that you'd even want to use HAMs in the first place.
Joss56
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-09-22 20:31:40 UTC
Othran wrote:
You never will pilot one Lol



Of course everyone can, well maybe not yet but they will be available on sisi just liek many other do, all you have to do is log on sisi buy it for peanuts on the market, fit it and fly it.

So hard.
Goose99
#13 - 2011-09-23 01:23:20 UTC
Aamrr wrote:
Considering that a 5-launcher Tengu has 5 low-slots and nothing to spend them on except a damage control, ballistic controls and maybe powergrid, I really shouldn't have to do this. A 100MN tengu uses way more powergrid than HAMs do, and it can manage three ballistic controls with ease.

Supposing, again, that you'd even want to use HAMs in the first place.


Comparing to a 5 launcher Tengu to 6 launcher Legion would also mean Legion has 1 more ham. Also, the tank difference is incomparable. HAM tengu is a bad idea, it should have hmls, stay at range and out of harm's way. It's true that the Legion sucks, but stop trying to distort it as more that it actually is.