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Have we been living a post-apocalyptic scenario?
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Soriddo Suneku
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-03-07 03:20:15 UTC
Apocalypse, "lifting of the veil"

Post-apocalypse, the end of civilization and after.

Note the change in the context of the continuum of time, and how mankind has responded to that in the past, now, and future.

Δcontext = response of mankind.

Now, the ages of time:

Pleistocene --> Holocene/Neolithic/Civilization

(2,588,000 to 11,700 years ago) --> (around 12,000 years ago to present)

And, the ages of us reflected by a few examples of modification of nature in correlation with the ages of time:

Olduvai stone technology (2.5 million years ago )/Acheulean stone technology (1.6 million years ago)/Fire creation and manipulation (1.5 Million years ago)/Clothing (possibly 170,000 years ago)/Ceramics (c. 25,000 BC)/Domestication of Animals (c. 15,000 BC)

-->

Agriculture and Plough (c. 8000 BC)/Writing systems (c. 3500 BC)/Iron (c. 1500 BC)/Catapult (c. 400 BC)/Materials science and many more (now)

Did the "lifting of the veil" occur at the end of the Pleistocene?

What caused a "lifting of the veil" at the end of the Pleistocene?

Was that natural apocalypse the spark into our post-apocalypse of some 12,000 years?

Was the end of regional civilizations (such as Natufian culture) a beginning of many more ends to come?

And existentially, has the idea of apocalypse and after been with us, people of past and future?

Spiritually, has that idea constituted the nature of the relationship between people and the land they walked on for the past 12,000 years up to now?

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And something for the future, how does this pan out for you?

How have you responded to the Δcontext in your past and right now?

How will you respond to the Δcontext in your future?
Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-03-07 10:28:04 UTC
As a species we have learned a lot but I think all we have done is highlighted the huge amount of ignorance we still have.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2012-03-07 12:49:23 UTC
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
As a species we have learned a lot but I think all we have done is highlighted the huge amount of ignorance we still have.


I would argue that ignorance, stupidity and illiteracy has become a trend among people.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#4 - 2012-03-07 17:02:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
We haven't found any civilizations older than what 12k years? oldest humans (as we know them) known are about 15k-ish.

If there was civilization before this it wasn't on Earth.

As a species though we're doing great most species die out within 10k years of establishment.

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Soriddo Suneku
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-03-07 17:34:15 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
We haven't found any civilizations older than what 12k years? oldest humans (as we know them) known are about 15k-ish.

If there was civilization before this it wasn't on Earth.

As a species though we're doing great most species die out within 10k years of establishment.


The oldest humans:

Homo habilis lived from about 2.4 to 1.4 million years ago. They inhabited South and East Africa in the late Pliocene or early Pleistocene, 2.5–2 Ma, when it diverged from the Australopithecines.

H. sapiens have lived from about 250,000 years ago to the present.

Between 400,000 years ago and the second interglacial period in the Middle Pleistocene, around 250,000 years ago, the trend in skull expansion and the elaboration of stone tool technologies developed, providing evidence for a transition from H. erectus to H. sapiens.

Copy pasted from my anthropology book and fossil archaeological record.

Each member of the Homo genus may appear different, maybe what one may call "primitive" looking, but it was their diet among other factors over the ages that transformed their skeletal structures.
Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-03-07 17:47:49 UTC
Good post mate.

I think it all ended when the concept of ownership of land was introduced. It's a pretty odd concept, if you think about it. "Those woods, that river, and that mountain over there- and everything in them- belong to me. If any other human sets foot in that space, I can have him punished." No more “We are a community of people, a clan working together to try to keep everyone alive.”

Once people started claiming individual ownership of land, the idea of community, cooperation and relative equality was gone. Now we had people with more wealth, and therefore more power, freedom, and rights in the community than other people. It continued that way until better transportation and communication technology allowed trade to develop. And with trade came money and monetary wealth. And ultimately capitalism-- where money itself is the greatest source of power. So we traded a fixed have/have-not society (landowning aristocracies) for a money-based, competitive, dog-eat-dog society (free capitalism). And that has persisted up to now, where the entire globeful of humans is racing to get as much out of the capitalism money-gathering system as it can. Heedless of that fact they're wrecking the environment/Earth habitat for humanity in the process.

So anyway, I think it could be said we're in a post-apocalypse era. It all started when the first greedy bastard got together a gang and announced to his clan mates, “All that over there-- it belongs to me. Keep off, or pay.” From then on, human societies were intrinsically individualistic and human vs. human. No tribe to run with anymore (which even a chimp or a dingo dog still has).

(BTW, Joseph Campbell places the dividing line of human history on the point where people moved from Earth worship to Sun worship. In the Earth worship phase, people considered themselves another species in nature, lineage was traced through the mother, and homage was paid to fertility (fertility of human mothers, fertility of plant foods, fertility of prey animals, etc.) With the Sun worship stage, humans stepped out of nature and claimed dominion over nature. Tribal elders were replaced by local heroes/kings (charismatic personalities). The kings claimed kingdoms (personal land ownership). And there ended the communal consciousness society and began the individualist/domination society. Joseph Campbell, Oriental Mythology if anyone’s interested).
So Sensational
Ventures
#7 - 2012-03-09 04:07:50 UTC  |  Edited by: So Sensational
Telegram Sam wrote:
Good post mate.

I think it all ended when the concept of ownership of land was introduced. It's a pretty odd concept, if you think about it. "Those woods, that river, and that mountain over there- and everything in them- belong to me. If any other human sets foot in that space, I can have him punished." No more “We are a community of people, a clan working together to try to keep everyone alive.”

Once people started claiming individual ownership of land, the idea of community, cooperation and relative equality was gone. Now we had people with more wealth, and therefore more power, freedom, and rights in the community than other people. It continued that way until better transportation and communication technology allowed trade to develop. And with trade came money and monetary wealth. And ultimately capitalism-- where money itself is the greatest source of power. So we traded a fixed have/have-not society (landowning aristocracies) for a money-based, competitive, dog-eat-dog society (free capitalism). And that has persisted up to now, where the entire globeful of humans is racing to get as much out of the capitalism money-gathering system as it can. Heedless of that fact they're wrecking the environment/Earth habitat for humanity in the process.

So anyway, I think it could be said we're in a post-apocalypse era. It all started when the first greedy bastard got together a gang and announced to his clan mates, “All that over there-- it belongs to me. Keep off, or pay.” From then on, human societies were intrinsically individualistic and human vs. human. No tribe to run with anymore (which even a chimp or a dingo dog still has).

(BTW, Joseph Campbell places the dividing line of human history on the point where people moved from Earth worship to Sun worship. In the Earth worship phase, people considered themselves another species in nature, lineage was traced through the mother, and homage was paid to fertility (fertility of human mothers, fertility of plant foods, fertility of prey animals, etc.) With the Sun worship stage, humans stepped out of nature and claimed dominion over nature. Tribal elders were replaced by local heroes/kings (charismatic personalities). The kings claimed kingdoms (personal land ownership). And there ended the communal consciousness society and began the individualist/domination society. Joseph Campbell, Oriental Mythology if anyone’s interested).


So basically, the cavemen had an equal, cohesive society where everyone lived together in harmony and everyone was cared for, where everyone's rights (Because they certainly had a well developed understanding of the concept of rights back in the day!) were tolerated, today's corporations and nation states have no community or cooperation worth mentioning, nor are the groups we form today at all similar to tribes, oh and capitalism is evil?

I just want to make sure I got this right.
Parthonax
#8 - 2012-03-09 13:00:23 UTC
ask me that question again in plus/ minus 5 billion years when our sun finally goes nova and swallows up the inner planets
so this is permanence