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[INFO REQUEST] Hangars suck. Hangers full of stuff suck even worse.

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Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2012-03-08 11:18:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Vile rat
Especially when you open up the ol' hangar, go make some coffee, read the newspaper, walk the dog, fix yourself some breakfast, and maybe, just maybe, it'll be loaded when you get back.

Most of you likely don't experience this special version of hell, but those with slow internet connections or extremely large hangars (our people who fit rifters feel a marvelous variety of pain when they open theirs) have a tough time of it.

I've recently heard that people who live in wormholes have this hit them especially hard. The problem with this is we all know it's a problem, but we don't know how big of a problem it is. I suspect this problem is huge and needs a lot of attention, but I'd like for you guys to tell us a bit about how this affects you.

Information gathered for this will be used to determine if this is an issue we need to focus attention on as player reps or if it's a fringe issue that can be fixed when people have spare time. If you feel strongly about this either way please post in this thread and tell us how it impacts you.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#2 - 2012-03-08 11:21:53 UTC
I think its a database caching issue that can't be fixed. I personally resolved it with a very large number of station warehouses to sort things into(including the one I keep my station warehouse bpo in).

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Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2012-03-08 11:26:01 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
I think its a database caching issue that can't be fixed.



Don't worry about this part for now, the results of the thread will be helpful regardless of your opinions on this one.
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-03-08 11:32:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Zagdul
We noticed this when corp bookmarks were created and we were transferring over tons of bookmarks to get our building corp a copy of all our important spots.

Anyway, this 'bug' is VERY noticeable when you have a ton of bookmarks in a hangar. Or any bookmarks for that matter.

EDIT: it doesn't seem to matter if those bookmarks are in cans or in that hangar. Something about the bookmark item bugs any kind of item holding container.


The whole way EVE organizes items in game is pretty rough. Folders would be great. Not just containers, folders. Trying to load 1000's of items can't be good for any interface system.

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Jack Haydn
Magellanic Itg
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2012-03-08 12:47:06 UTC
I always try to keep my personal hangar tidy and low-asset, but I do experience this issue on our corp hangars. It's really tiring to have to wait for a long time on each hangar load until you can see what's in there.
Maximillian Bonaparte
Interstellar Booty Hunters
Abyssal Booty Hunters
#6 - 2012-03-08 23:16:29 UTC
I came across this issue being in RvB and buying stuff to fit 10 incursus, 20 catalysts, and 6 vexors, and I am sure this is small compared to many.

So yes there is station warehouses and cans where you could dump this stuff. The problem with this (which would apply to folders too), is that I found that I was loosing stuff - I would accidentally drop a gun in my ammo can etc - and wonder where the hell it went!

If there were tabs, or quick and easy filters, the problem would be solved. I sense that CCP may already be looking at this?

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Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2012-03-09 09:06:39 UTC
Maximillian Bonaparte wrote:
I came across this issue being in RvB and buying stuff to fit 10 incursus, 20 catalysts, and 6 vexors, and I am sure this is small compared to many.

So yes there is station warehouses and cans where you could dump this stuff. The problem with this (which would apply to folders too), is that I found that I was loosing stuff - I would accidentally drop a gun in my ammo can etc - and wonder where the hell it went!

If there were tabs, or quick and easy filters, the problem would be solved. I sense that CCP may already be looking at this?


Consider this a probe to see how widespread an issue this is. If it's a widespread problem we can make a case to put resources, now, to fix it as compared to later when time is available.
Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-03-09 13:34:39 UTC
You obviously have way too much stuff, Vile Rat.

Can I haz your stuffz to fix your problem? Twisted

Actually, I have encountered this problem recently so it would be good to know the extent of the problem so CCP can take a look at it.
CynoNet Two
GSF Logistics and Posting Reserves
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2012-03-09 21:42:05 UTC
I do have a somewhat tangentally related issue...

We should be able to 'Stack All' items in a corp hangar / drone bay that's nearly full just like we can in a cargohold. It's really frustrating having to pull items out of a corp hangar then drop them back in again just to stack them together - especially when you're in space and this involves dicking around with jetcans.
Utsen Dari
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-03-12 16:38:53 UTC
It's pretty bad for living out of a POS tower in wormspace, yes.

Things that tend to cause the hangar to load extra-slow if present: bookmarks, named cargo cans, fitted ships. Anything uniquely identifiable really.

Not had it happen to me personally but a few corpmates have had ship hangars refuse to load at all, necessitating a re-log to get at their ships.
Eidric
Private Shelter for Mad People
#11 - 2012-03-12 19:11:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Eidric
Does affect me to some effect - i mostly alleviate it by spreading assets over most tabs to equal extent.




More tabs might alleviate the problem to some extent.

Search function without preloading - would only load what you need (if you know what you need)

Loading modules by type (if you don't know what you need)

nothing else come to mind
Takara Mora
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-03-15 20:44:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Takara Mora
Great idea Vile Rat ... this is indeed an issue in Hisec and WH's ...

Using Containers is only a half solution, since you can't really manage containers remotely like you can raw assets ... so you lose a lot of flexibility using cans (you gain some organization but lose being able to search, contract, repackage, even view contents, etc.).

Folders that you can name and manage permissions on would be awesome instead.
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2012-03-16 17:25:46 UTC
Resolve it by having allowing to have folders such

Ships
Ammo
etc

I know they have this for corp hangers (not enough really) but is it ALL getting loaded for every area or just the ones you look at? If all do then thats silly no point loading something you aint gonna look at

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