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Seriously CCP, thanks for being more proactive/responsive

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Mai Kusoni
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2011-09-22 16:14:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Mai Kusoni
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Listen to what they do not what they say. Talk is cheap, and while I do like the current activity of the Devs it really doesn't mean much unless we start seeing results. Otherwise its just hot air(or in this case pixels).


" Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say.Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change." - Hilmar memo

I've been noticing a lot of hypocrisy in these forums lately.
Swooshie
USA Canada Private Corp
#22 - 2011-09-23 01:51:56 UTC
Mai Kusoni wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Listen to what they do not what they say. Talk is cheap, and while I do like the current activity of the Devs it really doesn't mean much unless we start seeing results. Otherwise its just hot air(or in this case pixels).


" Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say.Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change." - Hilmar memo

I've been noticing a lot of hypocrisy in these forums lately.



Before I begin, let me precise that I am not specially inclined to side with CCP and I do agree that, hype-to-ratio, Incarna, so far, blows. We got almost nothing out of it and it does indeed look like a bigger bite than what could be chewed was taken.

However, for the sake of precision and fairness, that Hilmar quote needs to be examined. I do know that some people will not agree to this and even presented with a solid proof (which it isn't) will continue to use that quote because, in doing so, they feel like they are affirming a defined personality. But then, there are others, who venture on these forums and might get a "less than objective view" of this whole affair. For those, I hope I can help put things a little more into focus.


Quote:
I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.


There is nothing inherently wrong with this affirmation, at all. It is not hypocrisy, it is not vindication; it is a simple enunciation of a social psychology phenomenon. In corporate management, the knowledge of change process (1) is a concept that can often be central to organizational success.

Simply put, in the vast majority of cases, people will resist change simply because they move from a certainty state to one of uncertainty. There are many ways in which that resistance will be expressed but the core of the matter is that : You cannot take the manifestations of that resistance as a sign of a failure to implement changes because those signs, the same ones, will exist in every situation whether the changes are good or not. All that is left after, to evaluate the implementation of changes is to be attentive to changes in trends and actions. What Hilmar did when he expressed that quote was the invocation of a well known principle that has been proven true empirically.

Now, there are many ways to manage and implement changes efficiently and with lesser impacts and I will not get into these; point is, there were many ways to mess up the implementation of changes, lack transparency being a major one, that plagued the whole process.

So yes, CCP, from an I/O psychology standpoint, did the whole thing very roughly, and messed up quite often in the process and, I guess, in the materialization of their ambitions. However, that quote serves absolutely no purpose when it comes to ascertain CCP's intentions since it just states a proven fact.






1 - Lewin, Kurt; Gold, Martin (Ed), (1999). The complete social scientist: A Kurt Lewin reader, (pp. 265-284). Washington, DC, US: American Psychological Association, xi, 363 pp.

"It is when I think about meaning that I lose what I meant to say."     -Swooshie

Envoy Achates
Safe Harbour Shipyards
#23 - 2011-09-23 02:52:51 UTC
Swooshie wrote:
However, that quote serves absolutely no purpose when it comes to ascertain CCP's intentions since it just states a proven fact.
Yup, said fact being: "don't listen to whining bitches on the forums, watch the subscription numbers".

funny thing is, it seems like the majority of tards quoting it REALLY don't understand it.
Byshop Kayl
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2011-09-23 03:24:10 UTC
CCP Prism X wrote:
I wish I had more topics to respond to.

Nobody ever talks about databases on internet spaceship forums. Straight

We've been talking about DB all day in your special thread. Big smile

 "Sanity is the playground of the unimaginitive.-- Anonymous "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.-- A. Einstein

Swooshie
USA Canada Private Corp
#25 - 2011-09-23 05:05:10 UTC
Envoy Achates wrote:
Swooshie wrote:
However, that quote serves absolutely no purpose when it comes to ascertain CCP's intentions since it just states a proven fact.
Yup, said fact being: "don't listen to whining bitches on the forums, watch the subscription numbers".

funny thing is, it seems like the majority of tards quoting it REALLY don't understand it.


Agreed. There are so many things that can be used against CCP in this case and yet it's the quote that actually make sense that gets the spotlight. LolWhat?

"It is when I think about meaning that I lose what I meant to say."     -Swooshie

Envoy Achates
Safe Harbour Shipyards
#26 - 2011-09-23 05:28:18 UTC
Swooshie wrote:
Envoy Achates wrote:
Swooshie wrote:
However, that quote serves absolutely no purpose when it comes to ascertain CCP's intentions since it just states a proven fact.
Yup, said fact being: "don't listen to whining bitches on the forums, watch the subscription numbers".

funny thing is, it seems like the majority of tards quoting it REALLY don't understand it.


Agreed. There are so many things that can be used against CCP in this case and yet it's the quote that actually make sense that gets the spotlight. LolWhat?

Precisely. The majority of people who I have seen using it may as well have said, "Look, I'm an idiot and we both know it so let me just parrot some nonsense that I think probably makes sense to other people because, oh my word, I'm so angry. About something."
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