EVE General Discussion

Well, two thoughts to that.

(a) They should nominate and elect a different candidate if those standing for the CSM does not represent their views and;
(b) EVE is a MMO and therefore a social game; if you do not know the candidates personally from within New Eden you can use Google, the EVE forums and your friends in-game to learn more about them and what they truly represent

To me the answer is not to build a restrictive, seemingly dysfunctional system that does not really represent the reality of EVE in response to a dissatisfaction with the current candidates. The answer is to change the candidates by electing the ones you want.

Hiya,

Suggestion to improve the election process: let's take a look at the ideas of "liquid democracy" used by the German Pirate Party. Now I am not German, I am not a pirate, but after reading a few articles I did a quick search on the Internet and there is plenty of interesting, innovative stuff. Stuff that might more fit the format of our community than the old 19th century scheme of regular elections of representatives.

I made a blog post about it but I don't say much more than above. I just know what I read on a few pages.

hey look, another anti-democratic siloing proposal from someone afraid of the will of the people being expressed in a way they disagree with

authoritarians masking themselves in 'better democratic' rhetoric are everywhere in election season

Democratie in it's idology is perfect but in our reality it's everything you want but what we have now.
What we can see everywhere around is always a matter of cash, power and rule by fear where eatch and every day you vote more laws to restric your already short liberty, and you're happy doing this (we all).

The only purpose of modern democratie is to serve the bigger cash masters that are totally and completely above of whatever law or constitution, after all they only need to show their cash to see no matter the country open their doors and arms with hypocrit friendly smiles like diplomats are used and train all day for.

If people were really intelligent, lived in real democraties surrounded by individuals concerned by the greater good of this democratie and other humans how could they possibly ever base their hole economie and social progress based on energy that is going to disapear or pollue for millions of years?
Let millions of other humans die of hungry and hilnesses because they don't have money to buy treatments nor have the most basic installations there should be for basic life like take a daily shower or have proper whater!
How can those let money and the single law of uncontrolable economics based on obscure rules that have no mercy for negative numbers rule our lives, reward the healthier with even more money and the poorer with even more taxes and everyone seems happy because they think their stupid and insignificant lifes will last forever?

Then you have scrubs complaining because their focking burger miss salt or peper... and their littre of soda is too hot. Or because hybrids haven't een correctly rebalanced too, heh (/self shat)

Socialist is the jealous hoar of Republicans and Nationalists, whenever they get there they do everything like others, just worst.

What does this crap has to do with the game? -hell it's just the perfect condensed example of the political shït you eat and please veryday, you log in an internet space ship game, not any space ship game but THE space ship game, and you stupidly start again...

Hello??? -why too serious?
It's simple: if it's not blue you shoot, if it's red or another colour than blue, purple/green, you shoot.


No I'm not drunk (yet) but that might happen soon (tm)

Protip: the only serious issue that nullsec blocs disagree on is titan tracking. On almost every major issue of the day, all of nullsec unites come CSM-time. Single Transferable Vote systems are amusing, until you realize the reality - every bloc would collude.

Oh wait, we already do. I mean, we'd collude more.

And, here we have it the CSM admitting it's skewed in their own happy direction.

There is no formalised nomination process. But Izzle has been standing as a prime high-sec candidate (With the concept of driving conflict). There is a person, perhaps self nominated, perhaps through forum interaction. If enough people care about an issue they can choose to put their votes behind one person, effectively nominating that person. Look at Hanz. You know he is going to be pushing heavily for Faction Warfare. Has he been nominated as the champion of Faction Warfare, both through his own passion for the subject and the support he has received on his conversations here and elsewhere?

As to the size and the scope, I don't have an answer for laziness / inability to care enough about an issue to resolve your own ignorance on it. I don't believe people who could not be arsed to do a bit of basic investigation should be able to participate, but that is a whole other subject. However, if somebody cared enough they could investigate the candidates that piqued their interest. I did precisely that and it changed my vote for this CSM. It was going to be a choice between Izzle and The Mittani, but I did not vote for either of them. There was another candidate who, through conversations with a few friends in-game, the platform they stood for and a read of their forum discussions convinced me they would be a better fit for what I want out of EVE. Even though I never met them. That is the way these things work; you need to do your own research as a voter.

As to dysfunctional. Yes, I believe it is. Activities in EVE happen all across EVE. The region they happen in has preciously little meaning because of the inherent mobility of players. Trying to tie it down is dysfunctional, no matter how much you want to pretend it isn't. I strongly believe the answer is in electing the right candidates; not in forcing some arbitrary, useless thumbfucks of candidates on the rest of the game simply because they drop their salvage in Jita or Aikononen or wherever. I don't like systems that place limits on a persons' ability to participate in the democratic process. I've seen that type of thing **** up too many times in real life.

But that's an opinion and this is a discussion forum.

The idea is to get the majority to vote, which you are well aware, has yet to happen.
Then, I can see why you'd ridicule the idea.

Jango. I see you've spammed all the threads. May the banhammer visit you soon.

It would take an epic case of myopia to glean "complaining" from the OP. As there's no shortage of this malady in EVE, I'm not surprised. Everybody agrees to "find the quality candidate..." all the OP is suggesting is a way to make the search doable, instead of the obvious needle in a haystack it is now.

Don't forget, or don't pretend otherwise, people lie in EVE for a living. Just because somebody puts a bunch of stuff about themselves on the "I'm a candidate" page, doesn't mean they can be believed. Albeit, (and I'm sure Vyl agrees) questioning a candidate in Regional might not reveal much, either. However, something can be done, or should be done to improve the process, or the minority taking advantage of the dysfunction will continue to have it all their way.

OR, we could all engage in my favorite passtime - ridiculing the CSM and CCP for pretending they amount to something other than very lucid figments of each other's imaginations.