Player Features and Ideas Discussion

what does that change except that non sov-owners can't see local.

Or do you mean you are removed form local when cloacking?

when coming through the gate you need to de-cloack before you can cloak, so in that case it wouldn't change a thing except removing locol for non sov owners.

So sov owners get all the intel and the rest can spin?

Fail.

I don't really understand the hostility against SOV owners seeing who is in the local they control. It would only be the systems they control that they get that bit of an upper hand.

I see so many posts about removing it all together for everyone or delaying it this is a mid line approach IMO

Nice try, but all a cloaker needs to do is pop by that window on occasion, decloak, say "hi guys!", recloak and the intel fuzz factor is set for a while.

Or just light off a cyno every now and then, shut it down right away and run until you see people have stopped chasing it. Then bring in the guns.

Not for nothing, but you both must realize the pilot was not AFK during the activities you just described.

The pilot in question doesn't want to be bothered with being AFK at all, but since local will non-stop present him for all to see, he lets it.

Eventually local can backfire, as you described, and create lots of excitement and violence. All because the cloaked vessel's presence there was not guiding the behavior of others.

And isn't violence and explosions why we play the game?

Might as well take driving tests for fun, otherwise...

Cloaky fleets... what a concept....

Aside from the obvious and specialized SB wings we might see, and which already exist anyways, cloaked vessels are not as dangerous as their non cloaking cousins.
There are two important reasons for this.

1 They have to give up a high slot just to mount the cloak itself. This is the difference between winning and losing on many fits.
2 The sips themselves are nerfed towards combat, when compared to their non cloaking counterparts.
(Force Recon VS Combat Recon provides the easiest comparison on this)

The more likely result, has nothing to do with hot drops, or ships decloaking for attacks. These happen already.

No, the more likely result is that they will again have their intended roles restored. The CovOps frigate will again be scouting for fleets and roams, locating targets, and then local will have highly visible spikes in population as the actual PvP vessels rush in to deliver pizzas.

(In this case, where the toppings are railgun ammo, missiles, and the occasional parmesan drone bites)

Could we please keep the topic to "local" not "cloaky".

I understand they have some shared concerns but the cloaky debate has it's own post.

Your idea is NOT balanced. Balanced means moderately equal footing for all parties involved.

This is a more balanced idea: Replace Local with an Intel Tool

Giving only the "sov holders" the quasi-omniscient knowledge of local, while leaving any passerby completely without said intel, is the epitomy of unbalanced....

I do like the idea that you don't appear in local until you actively decloak your ship.... However, that means you can be in local for a full minute before you uncloak... which is a bit too long. Within 1 minute, I can ALWAYS narrow down any target within scan range of the gate to an exact planet cluster before I decloak. It doesnt' even require skill at that time limit...

I'm a much bigger fan of you get a 10ish second delay between entering local and appearing in local. Until an actual intel tool is developed, this would balance the hunter-prey relationship that currently is unbalanced towards the prey given locals instant proclamation of neutrals/reds coming into system.

Absolutely NOT. The WH dwellers that montior comers and goers do so by dedicating a pilot to picket and working as a team. They don't have an ingame-mechanics imbalance, they create an imbalance through teamwork. Their opponents can do exactly the same thing, re-balancing the field. Your suggesting an innate imbalance to the intel system granted directly to the Sov Holders... While there should be some benefits to getting Sov, the imbalance you suggest is over the top and blatantly unfair.




Local at the moment is balanced in the sense everyone is provided the same information. I'm all for changing local into an actual intel system, so long as its mostly balanced too. Meaning, two people that enter system should have roughly equivalent info, and need to work with other players, or outfly their opponent to gain the intel advantage. WH Delayed Local is fair.... although its too extreme for most of the nullbear population. Forcing people to spam scan to stay safe is not good for the game!



30 Seonds is still too long in my opinion, and while I understand your desire to balance the "I have quasi-omniscient intel that my enemy doesnt" with "my intel on my enemy is delayed from when they first enter local" is just the wrong approach.... The change to local should leave people on a farily balanced field, and trying to balance the haves wtih the have nots is a dangerous road that just doesn't work so well.

How does a roaming gang find a fight with your suggestion? They never know where the people are grouped up, so they never know where to poke. How is NPC nullsec altered with your change?

So when roaming around low sec you'd have to bounce around a system just to make sure they don't have backup? Then go and do the same in every adjoining system just in case they have a support fleet holding one system back?

Not to mention the issues this creates with deep safes, I have 14 deep safes in my home ratting system and none of them are within 14au of any celestial, nor will any warp between celestials bring you within 14au of me. CCP have *tried* to eliminate all the various methods of making these kind of safes, but I doubt they'll ever manage to get them all. Which means under your proposal I could hide fleets completely in low sec, and so could anyone else who can make deep safes.

And if null was like this... CYNOS. This is why null is not, and never will be, like WH space. In WH space that one ship you missed can't drop super caps or a titan bridging gang on you.