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Automated spam mails by CSM cantidates allowed?

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Sroasa
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#61 - 2012-03-07 13:43:29 UTC
CCP Diagoras wrote:

If you're not running, if you're sharing it with your friends/your own corporation, that's one thing and that's allowed. Mass mailing to everyone you see is quite another. The GM's will use their discretion when dealing with reported cases of spamming as you mention.


So what's the limit? Every second person you see? One person per system? Every character you see that has a stupid name?

And why are CSM candidates allowed to do something that the average eve player isn't? Aren't they supposed to be representative of the general eve population?
Yiole Gionglao
#62 - 2012-03-07 13:46:13 UTC
CCP Diagoras, are you telling us that it's OK with CCP that your customers get as much as 120 spam messages (40 per character, 3 chars per account) from the 40 candidates? SERIOUSLY? Evil

I'm gonna check the EULA, as i never imagined that I was supposed to be paying for being spammed...

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CCP Diagoras
C C P
C C P Alliance
#63 - 2012-03-07 13:50:20 UTC
Sroasa wrote:
So what's the limit? Every second person you see? One person per system? Every character you see that has a stupid name?

And why are CSM candidates allowed to do something that the average eve player isn't? Aren't they supposed to be representative of the general eve population?


If you're contacting people just because you see them and you're not running, then you're just spamming. If you're contacting people you know/your corp & alliance, that's a different matter. Please don't try to overcomplicate it, my dear sir. Bear

CSM candidates are given this right in the same light those running for office in many real world systems are provided with advertising space. If you have an issue with it, please feel free to raise the matter as a CSM issue in the assembly hall to be looked at for the next electoral period. Such things certainly can't be changed during the middle of an election.
Ovidia Rhianon
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#64 - 2012-03-07 13:57:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Ovidia Rhianon
You shouldn't be allowing a candidate to spam your customers, much less be encouraging the other candidates to do so as well. It's almost as if you are telling us that the people that run our dear internet spaceship simulation couldn't think of a more eloquent way of providing the candidates an place to advertise.

I'll be looking forward to Mintrolio sending a mail out though, at least that would be comical.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#65 - 2012-03-07 13:59:54 UTC
How did he got the names? He sent the same spam both to me and my main, who is cancelled. Now CSM runners are allowed to steal user names? Roll
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus
#66 - 2012-03-07 14:01:00 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
He spammed me and Vile Rat both, too. :cripes:

Almost everyone from Brick got the spam too. I think he looks at final blows from killmails. That would explain why so many Bricks got mail.... Looking kinda desperate. I still endorse him though, shame on me

Hmmm

testobjekt
Goonswarm Federation Human Resources
#67 - 2012-03-07 14:02:51 UTC  |  Edited by: testobjekt
Soooooo

evemail spamming is legit?

Waiting for the first Scams to get massmailed to everyone. Its not that much of tech (evewho + webscript) this will be amusing.

The fact that this rule was made up on the spot (please CCP referr me to an earlier post of this) lets me think back to T20.

Its funny, an current CSM member does something that violates the ToS, the community does not like it, but his friend/contacts in CCP say "yeah its fine no problem, its allowed".

Yeah right...

Its kinda like rl politicans corruption, you know a guy and oh look the rules dont apply to you.
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#68 - 2012-03-07 14:07:42 UTC
testobjekt wrote:
Soooooo

evemail spamming is legit?

Waiting for the first Scams to get massmailed to everyone. Its not that much of tech (evewho + webscript) this will be amusing.


Well, from what I'm reading in this thread it's only legit if you're running the scam yourself. You can't mass mail on behalf of someone else running a scam.
testobjekt
Goonswarm Federation Human Resources
#69 - 2012-03-07 14:10:49 UTC
Another issue i have with this is the fact that it gives candidates who know how to bot and script an unfair advantage!

But hey, how fair was T20 giving the T2 BPOs, who are still in the game, to his bob friends?
Sroasa
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#70 - 2012-03-07 14:13:23 UTC
CCP Diagoras wrote:
Such things certainly can't be changed during the middle of an election.


But this is the first time somebody has ever tried this?

When Test Alliance Please Ignore TCU'd unclaimed systems in delve during an extended downtime the GMs removed them even though using extended downtime was an accepting and oft used tactic to online structures without resistance. That rule change was made after many years of precedent.

Surely GMs could change the rules after one such incident?

And wouldn't it be unfair for candidates in future elections to be denied what has been done in this election? The candidate in question has spread his name far and wide and will be recognised by many in the next election even if this practice is banned.
testobjekt
Goonswarm Federation Human Resources
#71 - 2012-03-07 14:17:18 UTC
Sroasa wrote:
CCP Diagoras wrote:
Such things certainly can't be changed during the middle of an election.


But this is the first time somebody has ever tried this?

When Test Alliance Please Ignore TCU'd unclaimed systems in delve during an extended downtime the GMs removed them even though using extended downtime was an accepting and oft used tactic to online structures without resistance. That rule change was made after many years of precedent.

Surely GMs could change the rules after one such incident?

And wouldn't it be unfair for candidates in future elections to be denied what has been done in this election? The candidate in question has spread his name far and wide and will be recognised by many in the next election even if this practice is banned.


It was only allowed after one of the CSM they like (and know, met at a bar whatever) did it. They did not want to remove him, thats why they start to make rules up as they go, this is basicly a Lex Trebor.

Its a big disadvantage for less techsavy CSM candidates and an slap in the face of everyplayer who got spammed. I recieved this EvEmail over 10 times! THIS IS SPAM!

Dont let this be the next t20 CCP. ACT NOW!
CCP Diagoras
C C P
C C P Alliance
#72 - 2012-03-07 14:18:03 UTC
Sroasa wrote:
CCP Diagoras wrote:
Such things certainly can't be changed during the middle of an election.


But this is the first time somebody has ever tried this?

When Test Alliance Please Ignore TCU'd unclaimed systems in delve during an extended downtime the GMs removed them even though using extended downtime was an accepting and oft used tactic to online structures without resistance. That rule change was made after many years of precedent.

Surely GMs could change the rules after one such incident?

And wouldn't it be unfair for candidates in future elections to be denied what has been done in this election? The candidate in question has spread his name far and wide and will be recognised by many in the next election even if this practice is banned.


Changing the rules on the types of advertising that are allowed mid election would give an unfair advantage to those who have already advertised in that way. I can certainly see why people would be unhappy with large amounts of mails being received but it would be against the democratic process to disallow it now.

This wasn't the first time mass mailing of characters has been done in a CSM election. This has taken place as part of every election so far, at times as much as this (in the case of some of the early elections). I'm absolutely open to and would be happy to see a discussion on if this should be allowed for the next election.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#73 - 2012-03-07 14:21:57 UTC
And how did he got the names from cancelled accounts? Magic?
testobjekt
Goonswarm Federation Human Resources
#74 - 2012-03-07 14:23:56 UTC
CCP Diagoras wrote:
Sroasa wrote:
CCP Diagoras wrote:
Such things certainly can't be changed during the middle of an election.


But this is the first time somebody has ever tried this?

When Test Alliance Please Ignore TCU'd unclaimed systems in delve during an extended downtime the GMs removed them even though using extended downtime was an accepting and oft used tactic to online structures without resistance. That rule change was made after many years of precedent.

Surely GMs could change the rules after one such incident?

And wouldn't it be unfair for candidates in future elections to be denied what has been done in this election? The candidate in question has spread his name far and wide and will be recognised by many in the next election even if this practice is banned.


Changing the rules on the types of advertising that are allowed mid election would give an unfair advantage to those who have already advertised in that way. I can certainly see why people would be unhappy with large amounts of mails being received but it would be against the democratic process to disallow it now.

This wasn't the first time mass mailing of characters has been done in a CSM election. This has taken place as part of every election so far, at times as much as this (in the case of some of the early elections). I'm absolutely open to and would be happy to see a discussion on if this should be allowed for the next election.



Solution:
Ban the violator of ToS (Trebor)
Make crystall clear that its not allowed to send automated spams.
Be no new t20
CCP Diagoras
C C P
C C P Alliance
#75 - 2012-03-07 14:24:33 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
And how did he got the names from cancelled accounts? Magic?


I imagine there's various routes. If your character was ever killed, it's likely on a killboard somewhere. Did it ever post on a forum? If it did, it's going to show up on search engines and the like.

There's no magic involved. Nobody has been given any special access to character names.
Ender Black
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#76 - 2012-03-07 14:25:00 UTC
When did mass mailing become spam? Just show me on the doll where trebor touched you. ITT people are the dumb.

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Sverige Pahis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#77 - 2012-03-07 14:28:12 UTC
Darius III wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
He spammed me and Vile Rat both, too. :cripes:

Almost everyone from Brick got the spam too. I think he looks at final blows from killmails. That would explain why so many Bricks got mail.... Looking kinda desperate. I still endorse him though, shame on me


m8 incursion rats don't generate killmails
Yiole Gionglao
#78 - 2012-03-07 14:32:46 UTC
Ender Black wrote:
When did mass mailing become spam? Just show me on the doll where trebor touched you. ITT people are the dumb.


I didn't sent him my address and i didn't ask him to mail me, thus it's spam.

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Dervinus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#79 - 2012-03-07 14:49:04 UTC
Confirming I recieved this on all 3 of my accounts and I have never seen this guy before today. Its not like I know him, interact with him, or am in any way related to him in game whatsoever. I think this should be instant grounds for termination from the CSM race, and possibly grounds for account banning due to EULA infractioins. If CCP let this stand, then they should also let EVERY other CSM candidate do this exact same thing. In fact they should be considered complicit in voter fraud if they do not take such action.

o7 toonies

Ovidia Rhianon
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#80 - 2012-03-07 14:54:34 UTC
Ender Black wrote:
When did mass mailing become spam? Just show me on the doll where trebor touched you. ITT people are the dumb.


Take a look at the definition of spam.

Quote:
An electronic message is "spam" if (A) the recipient's personal identity and context are irrelevant because the message is equally applicable to many other potential recipients; AND (B) the recipient has not verifiably granted deliberate, explicit, and still-revocable permission for it to be sent.

Spam is an issue about consent, not content. Whether the Unsolicited Bulk Email ("UBE") message is an advert, a scam, porn, a begging letter or an offer of a free lunch, the content is irrelevant - if the message was sent unsolicited and in bulk then the message is spam.