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Optimal gas harvesting ship (Gas output & cargo hold) suggestions.
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Ginacide Apox
Ion Corp.
NightSong Directorate
#1 - 2012-03-06 21:36:01 UTC
I wanted to find out if anyone had any suggestions on ship options for wormhole gas mining. I have a character that will be moving to a wormhole and will have POS access (mass isn't an issue). Grav sites will be cleared of rats and I have no concern on tanking (if I'm found the ship will most likely be destroyed, tank or no tank). So DPS and tank are not issues or concerns.

Does anyone have suggestions on ships I should consider? I basically have 2 primary requirements and 2 optional requirements for the ship decision. Though I would be open to any suggestions on what I should consider.



Primary requirements
1) 5 high slots minimum for 5 gas harvesters II
2) Cargo hold space. As possible (Hauler will be available, but still need more space).

Optional
A) Low isk value ship.
B) Signature radius (based on ships or modules I should consider). From what I have been able to gather this is something I should put some consideration into so I can increase the time it takes to be found with probes (If I'm incorrect than its not an issue).


An obvious choice has been a Hurricane which can fit 5 L2 harvesters with room to spare, but still has a relativly low cargo hold size (3100m3 with 6 expanded cargo hold IIs + 3 carghold opt I). And its cheap and I have several all ready.

I have also read that the Stabber fleet issue was a good choice, but like the Hurricane the issue is cargo hold size (and unsure of CPU ability for 5 harvesters).

Anyone have suggestions I should look into? Thanks!
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#2 - 2012-03-06 22:03:18 UTC
Before the corp fell apart we were going to bring in a Typhoon to do it. With Cargo Rigs 1s and Cargo Expander IIs in the lows it worked out to 5200m3. If I recall correctly the plan was to rig the ship as a repair/logistics ship for fixing damaged ships at the POS when not harvesting. (big drone bay for logistic drones as well as a couple high slots for remote armor reppers)

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Ginacide Apox
Ion Corp.
NightSong Directorate
#3 - 2012-03-07 00:20:40 UTC
Hey thanks for the suggestion MadMuppet. Ill check it out as I believe I can fly a Typhoon.

Cheers!
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-03-07 00:58:17 UTC
I dont really see any big deal with anything that can fit 5 harvesters. Personally I use a Thorax. Cheap. It won't hold a full cloud, but almost nothing will. So I jectcan it and pick up at the end.
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-03-07 01:09:05 UTC
Moa, maller or thorax and a t1 industrial is the usual way to do it.
Arazel Chainfire
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-03-07 02:24:00 UTC
Thorax for cheap (and easy to get in, can fit quite a few thoraxes in an orca)
Brutix for good mining/lots of cargo hold while still being cheap (alternatively, ferox, prophecy or cyclone)
Domi for group mining/simultaneous site clearing - fit a RR in a high, 5 miners, some resists in the mids, enough cap to run the RR, rest cargo expanders, drop sentries for DPS. 3 of these domi's can clear most gas sites while still mining, and has enough tank to tell random stealth bombers to F off - not enough to avoid a real gank though
Fyrgen Hith
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-03-07 04:13:03 UTC
For WHs pick your battlecruiser and be sure to have an 100mn MWD/AB on it. for K-space you need something with a tank on it so again any battlecruiser but shield tanked.
Kneebone
K-H Light Industries
#8 - 2012-03-07 05:15:11 UTC
Ferox
Golden Chicken
Cyclone
Brutix/Myrm
Dominix

All can tank well enough, all have slots, and the Galle ships can use drones for DPS in C1 and 2 WH's without having the agro issue if I recall correctly.
Mavnas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-03-07 07:15:45 UTC
Apoc, Megathron or anything else that has 7 lows and 675 m3 base. (The navy versions of those have 8 lows, but they're not cheap and turning them into gas miners, seems... well bad.)


Both those two ships could harvest gas for over half an hour before filling their hold. (Less with an orca boosting.)
Adacia Calla
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-03-07 08:15:37 UTC
We always used Moas in C4 + C5s due to mass, mainly because nearly everyone in Corp could fly one.

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Vile Coyote
Deep Space Legacy
#11 - 2012-03-07 17:02:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Vile Coyote
Ginacide Apox wrote:
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B) Signature radius (based on ships or modules I should consider). From what I have been able to gather this is something I should put some consideration into so I can increase the time it takes to be found with probes (If I'm incorrect than its not an issue).


An obvious choice has been a Hurricane which can fit 5 L2 harvesters with room to spare, but still has a relativly low cargo hold size (3100m3 with 6 expanded cargo hold IIs + 3 carghold opt I). And its cheap and I have several all ready.



The difficulty to find you with probes is related to a ratio between sensor strength and signature radius. So if this is a concern, fit your medium slots with racial ECCM.

I ran a comparison of all T1 cruisers and BC for gas mining, with roughly the same criteria as you, but I don't have the datasheet at hand. However the conclusion was that the Cane was the BC that can be fit for the largest cargohold. And, being able to hold more than 3000m², it won't even need a hauler on the smallest clouds.

Amongst the cruisers with 5 turret slots or more, the Omen has the largest hold.
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#12 - 2012-03-07 23:13:59 UTC
Ginacide Apox wrote:
I wanted to find out if anyone had any suggestions on ship options for wormhole gas mining. I have a character that will be moving to a wormhole and will have POS access (mass isn't an issue). Grav sites will be cleared of rats and I have no concern on tanking (if I'm found the ship will most likely be destroyed, tank or no tank). So DPS and tank are not issues or concerns.

... snip ...

Anyone have suggestions I should look into? Thanks!


Look for gas in Ladar sites. Grav sites are for mining. (there... just saved you a lot of head-scratching).

As for a ship, we just use Moa's . They're cheap and efficient. Don't worry about cargo space in a wormhole. Just jet it and pick it up when you're done.

T-
Admirallo
#13 - 2012-03-27 08:02:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Admirallo
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Admirallo
#14 - 2012-03-27 08:04:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Admirallo
Ginacide Apox wrote:


An obvious choice has been a Hurricane which can fit 5 L2 harvesters with room to spare, but still has a relativly low cargo hold size (3100m3 with 6 expanded cargo hold IIs + 3 carghold opt I). And its cheap and I have several all ready.



Surely, hurricane is the best one for wh-gas harvesting

+ the largest cargo from all cruise and BC size ships
+ u can fit Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization I and get 10-20% bonus (with apropriate leadership skills) to gas harvesting cycle
+ u can fit probe launcher
+ u cane fit cloacking device
+ u can use up to 6 drones (better use ecm )
+ u can use up to 4 med slots (prop mod, gas cloud scanner, ...)


[Hurricane, gas bonus]
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Survey Scanner I
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization I
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Prototype Cloaking Device I
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I


Hornet EC-300 x4
Vespa EC-600 x1
Xuse Senna
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#15 - 2012-03-27 08:07:44 UTC
Ferox works fine, Shield tank it/ Cloak and cargo expanders w/ Rigs. You will need a Hauler tho

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Admirallo
#16 - 2012-03-27 08:14:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Admirallo
don't use ferrox for gas harvesting ... even moa is better (better align time, almost the same cargo capacitor, much cheaper).

Hurricane - best one, Myrmidon - good, Prophecy -not bad, Ferrox - worst from all BC (1384 m3 cargo, only 4 low slots)

Your tank did not help you if gang catch you. It's better to fit ECCM and ECM modules to make harder to scan and to catch your ship. Hurricane with 3 warp core stab and 1497 m3 cargo have more chances to save your chip than heavy tanked Ferrox.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-03-27 08:56:41 UTC
Dont gas clouds spontaniously explode causing damage to all ship near/in them??

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-03-27 10:31:34 UTC
canes are the best for cargo but youre better off just gassing into a can.
moa, thorax, maller all work fine.

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Reppyk
The Black Shell
#19 - 2012-03-27 11:15:59 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
Dont gas clouds spontaniously explode causing damage to all ship near/in them??
Only the ones in 00 Ladar, as far as I know.

1 ferox with the ganglink + 3/4 alts in moas ftw. Suck it dry.

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McBorsk
Multispace Technologies Inc
#20 - 2012-03-27 11:53:11 UTC  |  Edited by: McBorsk
Moa with 4 ECCM Modules in the meds. Doesn't need co-processors.
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