EVE General Discussion

Just so I understand...

If I have BC IV and they split up the groups I potentially have to train each race so 4x up to "respective BC V" ?

BUT iam curious Do i need to now go train up all the IV skills i have to V before the change to get the most out of this new change i.e

Command Ships V
Logistics V
Heavy assault V
Covops V
Recon V

etc, etc so when the change does happen I get rank V in each race or is it only BC and destroyer skills affected?!

Yes, "dumbing down" has become a charge made by people who don't like changes. Nine times out of ten, people use it when what's occurring is making the game more intelligent. People usually indicate their own lack of intelligence by considering it "dumbing down" when you remove something that didn't require intelligence to begin with, indicating they apparently found something complicated that really wasn't, or they simply don't understand what the phrase "dumbing down" means. Removing something tedious is the thing that most often draws these charges, despite the fact that removing tedium in no way dumbs things down, as it requires no more intelligence to wait 17 days than 10, for example. Calling that "dumbing down" just indicates you're a moron.

The charge is certainly misplaced here in any case. Certain things are becoming shorting trains, but other things are becoming much longer. The change from a single Destroyers and BC skill, for example, will now require training in four different skills to get what you used to get with one. And new skills are being added to support various roles, which will need to be trained. It's a rebalancing, with some things getting cheaper and others more expensive. But that's complicated, so more simple minded people are simply going to see it as "dumbing down" or the opposite due to their inability to understand situations that can't be summed up in 140 characters or less. No doubt the same people who get mad when you answer their "simple" questions with "it depends..." /eyeroll

All T1 combat ships already trained to V crew checking in to say the removal of the tier system is a good thing. Well potentially. My worry would be that today's question of "why would I ever want to fly X" will be replaced with "t1 ships are all so similar now, why should I fly X as opposed to Y?" The challenge for CCP will be to buff up the lower-tier ships while keeping a semblance of semi-defined roles for them, but without making T2 ships undesirable. Why fly a Taranis if the Atron has buffed slot and turret layouts and costs 1% of the price, for example.

I still don't think this is removing Tiers. So long as you have a specific requirement to fly a ship and it has stats comparable to the same ship of another race...it is a tier. Until you can fly all Caldari Battleships by having Battleships 1 and all the battleships have the same stats and slots then they will always be separated by a tier even if it is not called a tier.

When they get rediculously specific with the roles so that a Rohk is a rail only shield platform, raven is cruis missile only and the Scorp is blaster only, and you can fly all ships with the same battleship skills, THEN tiers are gone. Until then its just a different way of calling a duck a duck.

Yep. It is the skill training time that determines the number of capital ships in EVE. It stands to reason. I mean, those who think skill cost, ship cost and actual needs and usage in the corp/alliance you are in plays any role whatsoever just doesnt understand anything, right? I mean, with 20 days lower training time to get into a carrier, everybody will be in a titan before Christmas.

But new players got a lot of free SP indirectly via the removal of learning skills and the buff to default learning speed. This seems like a fair tradeoff for having new skills added to the game that have to be trained separately.

Is this real life

How does this in any way dumb down the game?

Here's my opinion:

1) Rebalancing tiered T1 ships --> Awesome. Every other change could be total **** and I'd still be happy because of this.

2) Making BC and Dest skills racial --> Fine as long as they reimburse points or change training times in a way that doesn't make it so that people can't fly their ships anymore.

3) Battleships take longer to train to --> who cares?

4) Capitals don't take as long to train to --> I don't like this and I can't even fly capital ships. I doubt they are going to do this anyway.

Overall, I like the changes as long as they execute them well. Anyone saying this is "dumbing down the game" should explain why, because I'd love to hear it.

This is a bold move completely inline with what many has asked for, including OP if I am not mistaken. There will be problems for sure and a lot of players will whine because their particular play style somehow got nerfed. But this could be really really good for the game and it is definitely not dumbing it down, quite the contrary since there will be more diversity on the field if done right. If anything, it will make EVE harder to master skillwise (not SP).

At 12 ship types I can see why the BC skill needs to get split. Not sure what the point is of splitting destroyer skill when we only have 4 destroyers in game.