EVE New Citizens Q&A

This is not a question, just a suggestion for new players starting out (not alts of existing players). Regardless of what career path you choose, you will need to train for and fly an industrial ship early on. Typically, you will choose your basic Tier 1 racial industrial and not think anymore of it. Every race has at least one Industrial Tier 1 ship.

However, take a quick look at the stats of the Amarr Bestower. This is not the lowest Amarr Industrial (that is the Sigil) but it still only requires Amarr Industrial Ships I to fly. It is the 3rd largest Industrial Ship in the game, behind the Mammoth and the Iteron V, but the Mammoth requires Minmatar Industrial Ship IV to fly, while the Iteron V requires Gallente Industrial Ship V. Unless you intend a career in hauling or moving on to Freighters and Transports, neither is worth the considerable extra time to train into. Even if you do want to get in one of those ships, the Bestower is a worthy stepping stone, justifying the 8 or 9 hours it takes to train. Especially when you consider the main training time there is in Amarr Frigates which are prereqs for every other Amarr ship.

You can even train Amarr Frigates I/II/III and then Amarr Industrial Ships I faster than it would take you to train Caldari Industrial II/III to reach the (smaller) Badger II even if you are already in a Badger I.

The Bestower starts with 4800m3 Cargo and 4 low slots. Fill the lows with Expanded Cargohold IIs (Hull Upgrades II) and you get 13318m3, add 3 x T1 Cargo Rigs and you get 20256m3. Large enough to get a packaged Battlecruiser inside. Train Amarr Industrial Ships II to get that to 21268m3 and you can get seven Giant Secure Containers inside for a total capacity of 27568m3

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It takes less than a day for any race to train. With default attribute mapping:

Bestower
Amarr Frigate 1 = 16m
Amarr Frigate 2 = 1h 17m
Amarr Frigate 3 = 7h 19m
Amarr Industrial 1 = 33m

Training TIme: 10h 25m (7h 52m if you are Amarrian)

Expanded Cargohold II
Hull Upgrades 1 = 16m
Hull Upgrades 2 = 1h 17m

Training Time: 1h 33m

Total Training Time: 11h 58s (9h 26m if you are Amarrian)

Cargo without rigs: 13318.98 m3
Cargo with 3x Cargohold Optimization I rigs: 20256.51 m3 (requires Astronautics Rigging 1 to install, but not to use)

At level 4, the Minmatar Mammoth is bigger. At level 5 the Iteron V is the largest, but if you are planning to train that far you should consider the other ships racial industrial 5 makes available before picking a race, as it is rather long to train: Deep Space Transports (DST), Blockade Runners (BR), freighters, jumpfreighters (JF).

I have Caldari Industrial 5 trained on five accounts, and can even pilot a Rhea jumpfreighter on 3 of those, but all of them can also pilot the humble Bestower with Amarr Industrial 1, as it is too awesome a ship and trivial to train to pass-up

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Yet my 'manly' Iteron V is still boss of all industrials

Fantastic post. Where were you five or six years ago to keep me from trying to haul crap in my Badgers. This should be made into a newbie hauling guide thing on EVElopedia.

The reason you can't train an industrial on a trial acount is because then it would be too easy for botters to make serious money with trial accounts, which are far easier to set up than a 'real' account.

Create trial account, train up bestower, activate bot to do level 1, 2, 3, 4 courrier missions, instant money.

Now at least they have to inject a plex into the equasion to be able to bot those missions.

Personally, I DO prefer the mammoth, because it was on the route of my Prowler, which IMHO is the best covert transport.
( fastest there is, and it has a spare high slot for a launcher with defender missiles )

If you want a big industrial, the itty 5 can't be beat, however, the caldari Charon freighter has more room than the gallente Obelisk I believe. ( not really sure on this though, the reason my freighter pilot flies obelisks is because we have a BPO for them so easier for me to replace if ganked. )

A bestower will suffice if you live in hisec but for anything else, having at least one character with some industrial skill trained to 5 is a requirement. Blockade runners are of critical importance to be able to fly, and the tanky transports aren't bad either, at least in lowsec or for transporting more valuable goods in hisec.

caldari need a badger mk III that is close to an ite 5 in cargo size

It is also a beautiful ship. Looks a bit like a sperm whale minus the tail. :)


For those wanting a more in depth look at the basic industrial ships.

Amarr Bestower is the best for those that want something super fast. All that is neede is Amarr industrial 1.

Minmatar Mammoth is a great choice for those needing something bigger that can hold more but not wanting to invest weeks and weeks worth of training. It is available at Minmatar industrial 4.

Gallente Iteron V is for those who are serious about hauling and are willing to put in a lot of training time. It is the largest tech 1 hauler in the game but takes Gallente industrial 5 which is about 3 weeks training (give or take a week depending on your attributes).

Caldari get the short end of the stick with basic industrials. There is nothing good about the Badger or Badger II. They do however have the best freighter so Caldari industrial 5 may be worth it to some people.

And tank it with 3 Medium Shield extenders, which will give you enough buffer to tank most suicide ganks.