Ships & Modules

One launcher skill does not apply to unguided missiles in much the same way one gunnery skill does not apply to capless turrets. Valid argument that missile trained alts skill into their t2 large/med weapons marginally faster though.

Yeah, its not only faster to train (don't have to train supports to get T2 weapons) but its also 1.3M SP that doesn't need trained at all.



And every comparison I see from missile users is similarly biased. Simple facts: I have 18M SP in gunnery to 11M SP in missiles.

-Liang

Interesting to see that missiles take up nearly 2/3 of the total sp of all other 4 weapon types combined.....

There are only 7 missile launcher weapon systems in the game and 54 different turret weapon systems. (sub-capital)

Only 61% of the training is not a good deal overall as those gunnery skills support almost 8x as many weapons. I'm not saying that is broken, but it certainly leaves no room for complaints about missiles being light on sp. As I said, it's quite valid to point out the efficient nature of training strait into a battleship weapon system for a specific use, but for the number of weapons and ships you are getting, it's much less efficient overall than gunnery.

Well, unless you're including stealth bombers and the lulzy minmatar/amarr missile frigates there aren't terribly many of those. Just the three gurista ships, two khanid, and half the caldari lineup. Even including stealth bombers I think hybrid ships easily outnumber launcher boats and lasers probably come fairly close given there are two pirate factions utilizing them. Projectiles may well be outnumbered by launchers (and are certainly -intended- to be supplemented by them), but the fact projectiles are often retrofitted on many off-platform ships likely balances this out.

Addendum: Clearly one must ultimately train both launcher and gunnery support skills eventually, all i'm pointing out is that going launcher first puts a few months long gap between becoming proficient with a few ships and beginning to become proficient with the other (majority) ships.

Who said anything about harder to train? That's completely idiotic and non-senseical. They're both perception/willpower skillsets, have the same training modifiers, and like every other skill in EVE they simply train for you - no input required except throwing them in the queue.

I think i've been careful to say, repeatedly, that missiles take fewer sp to train for and can be surgically trained for with much less time. As you say, that's a fact. The whole debate about missile and gunnery balance isn't the subject matter at hand.

Unless you weren't addressing my post, in which case, vOv.

I am easily confused.

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Thank you for the blue light.

I like to make a suggestion to take in mind, would you people be able to take a look at the racial trades as well.

I understand Gallante must master Hybrids, drones and dampners, which result in mostly hybrid vessles with large drone bays, and Dampners with hybrids as weapon.

Minmatar and Anmar have a few missile ships in their arsanal but they are clearly a specialisation.

Caldari are completly devided (A problem best seen in the electronic attack vessles and covert-opps tree missile frigates for covert-ops -> the stealth recon is a hybrid ship, and the battleship a missile ship again) . I understand you want to give both the hybrid and the missile pilots their peace of the pie, but as Caldari favor both missile and Hybrides could we at least get a few more hardpoints of each on the ships. I'd consider that a logical adaption of a race that has a 50% Missile/Hybrid fleet.

Not saying you should put 8 launcher hardpoints on a Rokh, but say 8 turret and 6 missile hardpoints (maybe a pennalty so the ships don't get abused for their different modulation [power/cpu and cap wise] and the other way arround], bonusses should stay as they are, so in base they stay hybrid or missile ships, though this would give a little more cohersion as a race, as now for newer players Caldari seem like 2 races and I hope the future hold more Merlin [as it's the TRUE Caldari ship] like dual weapon systems ships

Your assuning a drake needs more than 70 km of range?

Personally, I think that the Tier 3 battlecruisers should be the model for all battlecruisers.

They should all fit large weapons and have cruiser-class tanks. They should all have limited defenses against smaller ships. Their advantage over a BS is their mobility.

It would revitalize the BS role immediately - since they would be the only ships with all around power and survivability.

HACs would also have a role again, since they would be in the position of having excellent DPS, tracking and tank, at a higher cost. Right now, battlecruisers are way too cost effective vis-a-vis HACs.

It would make smaller ships a viable choice again - since they wouldn't constantly run into gangs of Drakes and Hurricanes. Also, those mobile Tier 3 battlecruisers need someone else to tackle and swat smaller stuff for them.

Right now, battlecruisers are too cost effective and too good at too many things. This needs to change.