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StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
#21 - 2012-03-02 17:37:01 UTC
I page 2 sniper'd a binman...He never came back,i even waited extra long.

Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.
Hemmo Paskiainen
#22 - 2012-03-04 00:00:13 UTC
i hope for you that you never run into me.. it will prolly go like this:

40kk
yes/no
if yes:
40kk each
yes/no
any answere = short trip to medical bay Pirate

  • If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
    Ahrieman
    Codex Praedonum
    Divine Damnation
    #23 - 2012-03-04 00:14:22 UTC
    I ALWAYS honor ransoms and 1v1's. Ransoms are a great way to make money while pirating. I caught an Incursis the other day in my Rifter, then caught his pod too. He had a full set of +3's. Paid me 25 mil for his pod. Why would I want to screw that up? TBH, I wish people would ransom me if they catch my pod.

    Solo Rifter since 2009
    Kazacy
    BACKFIRE Squad
    #24 - 2012-03-04 00:48:31 UTC
    Ahrieman wrote:
    I ALWAYS honor ransoms and 1v1's. Ransoms are a great way to make money while pirating. I caught an Incursis the other day in my Rifter, then caught his pod too. He had a full set of +3's. Paid me 25 mil for his pod. Why would I want to screw that up? TBH, I wish people would ransom me if they catch my pod.


    You're right, but in hisec you can't ransom twice the same guy or even other guy from his corp because they won't fall again for this stupid trick. Also it's really funny after you dishonor ransoms how mad they become; it's totally worth it to not honor ransoms only for this (not to mention the isk).
    Ahrieman
    Codex Praedonum
    Divine Damnation
    #25 - 2012-03-04 02:58:49 UTC
    Kazacy wrote:
    Ahrieman wrote:
    I ALWAYS honor ransoms and 1v1's. Ransoms are a great way to make money while pirating. I caught an Incursis the other day in my Rifter, then caught his pod too. He had a full set of +3's. Paid me 25 mil for his pod. Why would I want to screw that up? TBH, I wish people would ransom me if they catch my pod.


    You're right, but in hisec you can't ransom twice the same guy or even other guy from his corp because they won't fall again for this stupid trick. Also it's really funny after you dishonor ransoms how mad they become; it's totally worth it to not honor ransoms only for this (not to mention the isk).


    Fall for what stupid trick? Paying a ransom and getting to keep their ship/pod? That would encourage your victim, and his friends, to pay you again in the future. I don't live in high sec, so maybe I don't understand. Perhaps you could explain to me how dishonoring a ransom in high sec is more profitable...

    Solo Rifter since 2009
    Liam Mirren
    #26 - 2012-03-04 13:30:24 UTC
    Everyone has their own personal ruleset, it's a sandbox afterall. Me I always keep my word, I do as I say and I say as I do. Also, from my experience, honouring ransoms is better long term.

    Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
    Kazacy
    BACKFIRE Squad
    #27 - 2012-03-04 17:58:00 UTC
    Ahrieman wrote:


    Fall for what stupid trick? Paying a ransom and getting to keep their ship/pod? That would encourage your victim, and his friends, to pay you again in the future. I don't live in high sec, so maybe I don't understand. Perhaps you could explain to me how dishonoring a ransom in high sec is more profitable...



    It is more profitable because they won't shoot you again so you won't even have the chance to ransom again the guy or his friends/corpmates (btw this is the stupid trick: making the other guy to shoot you first). In short you have the ransom, the killmail and loot.

    P.S.
    I forgot to mention, i do this not for isk just for fun (it's a game after all, i play the game for fun not for some imaginary pixels), iskies are just a nice bonus.
    Misanth
    RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
    #28 - 2012-03-05 08:09:26 UTC
    Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
    i hope for you that you never run into me.. it will prolly go like this:

    40kk
    yes/no
    if yes:
    40kk each
    yes/no
    any answere = short trip to medical bay Pirate

    • I normally honour ransoms, and I guess I would consider to pay one (even tho I never been asked), but anyone calling it "kk" (or "mio") I'd just ignore by default.

    AFK-cloaking in a system near you.
    seany1212
    M Y S T
    #29 - 2012-03-05 11:26:37 UTC
    Misanth wrote:
    Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
    i hope for you that you never run into me.. it will prolly go like this:

    40kk
    yes/no
    if yes:
    40kk each
    yes/no
    any answere = short trip to medical bay Pirate

    • I normally honour ransoms, and I guess I would consider to pay one (even tho I never been asked), but anyone calling it "kk" (or "mio") I'd just ignore by default.


    Wouldn't worry about him too much misanth, you generally don't get a chance to ransom in a 10+ man gang Roll Lol
    Proteus Maximus
    School of Applied Knowledge
    Caldari State
    #30 - 2012-03-05 13:00:35 UTC
    Not honoring ransoms is just poor piratage Sad. Every time it happens & goes public the balls fall off 10% more of the high sec herd & makes low secs that much more more bleak.

    If Goons were around when God said, "Let there be light" they'd have called the light gay, and plunged the universe back into darkness by squatting their nutsacks over it.
    Molette Nolm
    Republic University
    Minmatar Republic
    #31 - 2012-03-06 13:33:30 UTC
    Sadly some have ruined EVE for others. Those who used to fly as "honorable" pirates a few years back has mostly been replaced by boys who believe they get famous for being an ass.
    Full repect to those who still does honor the ransoms but tbh with EVE today i wouldnt set my hopes up to much for it. Therefore dont pay the ransom and thank the jerks who didnt honor it in the first place for ruining a before repected area in EVE.
    Jazzmyn
    Finnish Legion
    #32 - 2012-03-06 13:39:13 UTC
    Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
    i hope for you that you never run into me.. it will prolly go like this:

    40kk
    yes/no
    if yes:
    40kk each
    yes/no
    any answere = short trip to medical bay Pirate



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    takedoom
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #33 - 2012-03-06 22:52:41 UTC
    Kavez Vek wrote:
    Thought I would give the heads up about a couple of pirates who were flying around Tintoh

    Amber Thetawaves
    Andrew Jackson Jihad

    I paid the ransom, as the screenshot demonstrates. You've been warned not to pay. Here is the screenshot along with the killboard:

    http://i42.tinypic.com/s658wj.jpg
    http://mongsmarauders.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2688


    You shouldn't pay a ransom to a capsuleer with the name of Andrew Jackson Jihad rofl.

    http://spinthatdamnship.ytmnd.com/
    Fredfredbug4
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #34 - 2012-03-07 00:33:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
    What was the ransom anyway? Unless it was significantly less than the cost of a new pod then your probably better off getting podded.

    Rule of thumb is, unless it's worth substantially less than your pod AND will counter act the lost time then and only then you should accept a ransom.

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    Lady Spank
    Get Out Nasty Face
    #35 - 2012-03-07 10:16:45 UTC
    I ransom pods and let them go if they dont pay.

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    Valleria Darkmoon
    Imperial Academy
    Amarr Empire
    #36 - 2012-03-09 10:45:06 UTC
    You can be pretty much 100% guaranteed that anyone with a sec status over -10.0 will likely take your ransom and kill you anyway. I've said this before but pirates while aggressive and bloodthirsty draw the line somewhere. As much as we get hate from some of you for being so visibly hazardous, often those with higher sec status are far greater monsters than we are.

    I remember specifically ransoming people in Abudban 30mil/month to be guaranteed not to be ganked by Heretic suiciders. About a dozen people did pay and were set corp blue so they would not appear on our overviews and I challenge anyone to find even a single case where someone claimed to have payed and was victimized by and "overview glitch". In that same thread the carebears there confessed exactly what I'm talking about. Things like: "You'll just take our money and kill us anyway, because that's what I would do.", and that was their own words, not mine. While -10.0 sec status may not be a mark of a truly nice guy we're at least willing to honor any promise we do make, usually only on the pod though, we're really in this for the killmail.

    Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification.
    Valleria Darkmoon
    Imperial Academy
    Amarr Empire
    #37 - 2012-03-09 11:00:50 UTC
    Kazacy wrote:
    Sir Lomax wrote:
    I can't believe missioners still shoot at ninja salvagers.


    Believe me they shoot the ninja; you must learn how to be very annoying and they will shoot you.


    Best way I found to deal with someone warping into your missions when I was still able to go in high sec wass quite simple, immediately abandon all wrecks and ignore them completely. 9/10 times they won't even take anything, they'll just warp straight back out. By abandoning all the wrecks you take away the one thing they were really after: an easy kill and/or tears and rage.

    Don't quote me on this last part but if they still insist on being a pest and bumping you repeatedly so you can't warp out I believe it is petitionable in high sec only as harassment as long as you take no aggression timer against the bumper.

    Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification.
    Fairhand
    Aliastra
    Gallente Federation
    #38 - 2012-03-09 12:07:39 UTC
    Valleria Darkmoon wrote:
    Don't quote me on this last part but if they still insist on being a pest and bumping you repeatedly so you can't warp out I believe it is petitionable in high sec only as harassment as long as you take no aggression timer against the bumper.


    That is actually well worth knowing. Thanks for the tip.

    As Lady Spank likes to call them, it is possible to get tears from binmen too. Just abandoning the wrecks annoys them, yes, but so does sitting there with sentry drones out and waiting till they get the wreck in salvage range and (carefully) popping it. Last time I was in Gone Berserk I "accidentally" hit a trigger or two and the new npc spawns targeted the binman. Oops. He warped before I could loot him, sadly.
    Apolleneous
    Federal Navy Academy
    Gallente Federation
    #39 - 2012-03-09 19:19:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Apolleneous
    Kazacy wrote:
    Ahrieman wrote:
    I ALWAYS honor ransoms and 1v1's. Ransoms are a great way to make money while pirating. I caught an Incursis the other day in my Rifter, then caught his pod too. He had a full set of +3's. Paid me 25 mil for his pod. Why would I want to screw that up? TBH, I wish people would ransom me if they catch my pod.


    You're right, but in hisec you can't ransom twice the same guy or even other guy from his corp because they won't fall again for this stupid trick. Also it's really funny after you dishonor ransoms how mad they become; it's totally worth it to not honor ransoms only for this (not to mention the isk).


    Sorry Kazacy, but you sound like a bit of a dou*che, allow me to explain, if you were to honor the ransom most people would probably just pay to keep their stuff (thereupon making it a far more profitable enterprise being a pirate)

    But of course you want to make it harder on pirates who are looking to make piracy a more profitable business. I don't pay ransoms myself, because I am well aware if you do you just lose twice. If there was a system wide protocol in place that would guarantee non-aggression then this might change

    So pay heed noob pilots of new Eden, *most* pirates will NOT honor your ransoms, because the kind you will most likely run into is an egocentric idi*t like Kazacy.
    Kazacy
    BACKFIRE Squad
    #40 - 2012-03-09 19:41:46 UTC
    Apolleneous wrote:
    Kazacy wrote:
    Ahrieman wrote:
    I ALWAYS honor ransoms and 1v1's. Ransoms are a great way to make money while pirating. I caught an Incursis the other day in my Rifter, then caught his pod too. He had a full set of +3's. Paid me 25 mil for his pod. Why would I want to screw that up? TBH, I wish people would ransom me if they catch my pod.


    You're right, but in hisec you can't ransom twice the same guy or even other guy from his corp because they won't fall again for this stupid trick. Also it's really funny after you dishonor ransoms how mad they become; it's totally worth it to not honor ransoms only for this (not to mention the isk).


    Sorry Kazacy, but you sound like a bit of a dou*che, allow me to explain, if you were to honor the ransom most people would probably just pay to keep their stuff (thereupon making it a far more profitable enterprise being a pirate)

    But of course you want to make it harder on pirates who are looking to make piracy a more profitable business. I don't pay ransoms myself, because I am well aware if you do you just lose twice. If there was a system wide protocol in place that would guarantee non-aggression then this might change

    So pay heed noob pilots of new Eden, *most* pirates will NOT honor your ransoms, because the kind you will most likely run into is an egocentric idi*t like Kazacy.


    and ppl like you are the reason i play this game; thx for the tears.
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