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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Jita Alt666
#3361 - 2012-03-03 18:30:18 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
People still think this sandbox..this market simulator, is only about flying in space?

*sigh*

It's time to move past that and realize the dream of an integrated science fiction future sim that was originally envisioned by the creators of this fine, but lacking game.

Mr Epeen Cool

do you realize that a of people are not about that vision, they are just a bunch of lispers wanting to compare pants and emote each other?


Why are all the current goons so obsessed with pants, when I was in the goons pants hardly ever were discussed!

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate



What alt did you have in goons? Was it a goon alt or a member corp alt?
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#3362 - 2012-03-03 19:01:30 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
it's an uphill battle, heavy is the goon's burden
to help just one person from being a emoting lisper, to help just one person from signing posts
trying to make a difference, doing god's work
sometimes i get weary, and yes, angry



don,t need to be angry m8 ,just emote your feelings to us

R.S.I2014
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#3363 - 2012-03-03 19:28:51 UTC
Pants in goonswarm, oh my?

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3364 - 2012-03-03 23:08:59 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
it's an uphill battle, heavy is the goon's burden
to help just one person from being a emoting lisper, to help just one person from signing posts
trying to make a difference, doing god's work
sometimes i get weary, and yes, angry



Just exactly what does 'Lisper' mean anyway? I don't think it means what you think it means.

Guess you should also troll Chribba since he also 'signs' all of his posted replies.

Anyway, here's mud in your eye.

Signed by:

DMC

Cool

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#3365 - 2012-03-04 02:41:32 UTC  |  Edited by: xxxTRUSTxxx
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Marquris Rova wrote:
I'm hoping that they further develop the WiS. I don't mind that the focus is on the FiS, thats a good thing but I hope they know that there is a good amount of interest for further WiS development.

I'm not even looking for something that amazing with crap tons of features. I would actually welcome that they include a "cantina" at every station where players can mingle and do basic functions like trade or something. Thats pretty basic and I don't think is asking too much...Baby steps, is all.

The problem is...those of us that want WiS developement don't mind that they focus on FiS but the moment they shift even the smallest amount of focus to WiS the FiS babies start stomping their feet, shooting at statues, opening hundreds of QQ threads and start unsubbing because they think they aren't getting enough of their way in EvE.



FiS babies ????

that's a lot of people mate, this is a FiS game with the potenial of WiS, undock idiots it's a huge galaxy.

Not really...the people who want nothing but FiS and refuse to accept WiS of any kind are very few of the total players in EvE but they seem to be VERY vocal. Hence...babies.


you are ******* kidding yea ?

look tell you what, you support WiS so much i'm sure you will not mind reading back through every page and seeing just how many people are saying they want WiS, please note that most of them people love FiS.
get this through your head, what people don't want is a royal **** up like CQ and NEX was.
so to be clear, i get that people want WiS, But i'm sure, and i can't say i speak for everyone, but i'll take a guess that most
people want WiS to be an extension of FiS.

you really think that all activity in eve (mining, markets,science,exploration,wh ops,missions) have nothing to do with PVP then you are crazy and fail to get what EVE is all about.
it's a food chain, ship shoots other ship, it pops, mining, wh ops, missions, science, provides ore BPO's/BPC's, markets provide ships and mods and fuel.

rinse repeat, some may not like it but the is the nature of the beast.

if WiS creates an eviroment where people no longer need to undock, then the game will suffer.
we don't want 2 different games, WiS and FiS, i ******* hate both of them acronyms, the game is called EVE.

where's a dev or a mod when ya need them,, this thread needs to be locked, it's just repeating itself.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#3366 - 2012-03-04 03:02:42 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:


if WiS creates an eviroment where people no longer need to undock, then the game will suffer.


Why?

Is it that you feel if they don't have to, then they just won't undock? That's just stupid thinking. You don't need to undock now for a lot of stuff and it's been that way since day one. Here's the thing, though. Even though you need never undock to play many aspects of this game, PLENTY OF PEOPLE STILL DO!!

Why in the world you FIS only losers are so afraid of EVE becoming the true sandbox it was meant to be is beyond me.

Someone please give a coherent reason for this bizarre attitude and I will die a happy man.

Mr Epeen Cool
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3367 - 2012-03-04 03:12:58 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
I say we form up a massive fleet of Guardians, get a proper cap chain going and rep the Jita 4-4 statue so CCP can put it back to the way it was. All in the name of improving WiS!



You should definitely get on that ASAP, all 12 of you. Roll






You love to hate dont you pal. The WIS project will be deliverd as promiss and this game need some change. You think eve online will become world of warcraft? sinds when do you think like a 6 year old ati/nvidia raging fanboy? I think what ccp is doing know is pussing this game so far that we can say eve is more than a space game alone. people are always afread of change...
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3368 - 2012-03-04 03:52:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Johan Civire wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
I say we form up a massive fleet of Guardians, get a proper cap chain going and rep the Jita 4-4 statue so CCP can put it back to the way it was. All in the name of improving WiS!



You should definitely get on that ASAP, all 12 of you. Roll






You love to hate dont you pal. The WIS project will be deliverd as promiss and this game need some change. You think eve online will become world of warcraft? sinds when do you think like a 6 year old ati/nvidia raging fanboy? I think what ccp is doing know is pussing this game so far that we can say eve is more than a space game alone. people are always afread of change...


Nope, I got no problem with WIS as long as FIS does not suffer again for :18 months: or more during WIS and emo vampire MMO side-venture development.

If CCP can create meaningful and compelling gameplay beyond vanity avatar dress-up and mini-games for WIS that fits in with FIS that actually affects the overall EVE universe, CCP will have something worth promoting and beating their chests about, and it will very likely flourish.

What I have a problem with are players who insist that WIS is a "jesus feature" that everyone wants, and who claim WIS is a panacea, and that it needs to be a PVE WoW-like playground without the same PVP risks that FIS has now.

Also, I have a problem with the daily bleating and foot-stamping in the forums that the dozen or so militant pro-WIS players have been doing since CCP's refocus on FIS because they think CCP is ignoring WIS when CCP is just trying to save their company, their livelihood, and the game we all play and enjoy now.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Taiwanistan
#3369 - 2012-03-04 04:54:39 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:


if WiS creates an eviroment where people no longer need to undock, then the game will suffer.


Why?

Is it that you feel if they don't have to, then they just won't undock? That's just stupid thinking. You don't need to undock now for a lot of stuff and it's been that way since day one. Here's the thing, though. Even though you need never undock to play many aspects of this game, PLENTY OF PEOPLE STILL DO!!

Why in the world you FIS only losers are so afraid of EVE becoming the true sandbox it was meant to be is beyond me.

Someone please give a coherent reason for this bizarre attitude and I will die a happy man.

Mr Epeen Cool

because wis as of now has no meaningful gameplay, it is beyond me how some people consider a few dudes emoting each other in a room is gameplay.
wis as of now is frivolous, useless, and unseemly.
meaningful gameplay = you kill or get killed / you gain or lose isk or inflict isk loss on someone else / you feel compelled to invest skill training to do x more proficiently and etc.
the dev posts about potential of combat, smuggling is all fine but it seems the devs are having trouble defining it and fitting it in the greater game-ecology of eve and that is ok, it takes time.

the problem is, that there people, like slit eyes isslers here who immediately replied to the dev, like some ingrate,
"oh forget all that epic gameplay, it will take too long, just give us a room to emote with now."
this basically means that they yet again want ccp to rush out some more useless, incomplete crap, like they learned nothing from the failures of incarna 1.0.

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#3370 - 2012-03-04 05:02:52 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:


if WiS creates an eviroment where people no longer need to undock, then the game will suffer.


Why?

Is it that you feel if they don't have to, then they just won't undock? That's just stupid thinking. You don't need to undock now for a lot of stuff and it's been that way since day one. Here's the thing, though. Even though you need never undock to play many aspects of this game, PLENTY OF PEOPLE STILL DO!!

Why in the world you FIS only losers are so afraid of EVE becoming the true sandbox it was meant to be is beyond me.

Someone please give a coherent reason for this bizarre attitude and I will die a happy man.

Mr Epeen Cool

because wis as of now has no meaningful gameplay, it is beyond me how some people consider a few dudes emoting each other in a room is gameplay.
wis as of now is frivolous, useless, and unseemly.
meaningful gameplay = you kill or get killed / you gain or lose isk or inflict isk loss on someone else / you feel compelled to invest skill training to do x more proficiently and etc.
the dev posts about potential of combat, smuggling is all fine but it seems the devs are having trouble defining it and fitting it in the greater game-ecology of eve and that is ok, it takes time.

the problem is, that there people, like slit eyes isslers here who immediately replied to the dev, like some ingrate,
"oh forget all that epic gameplay, it will take too long, just give us a room to emote with now."
this basically means that they yet again want ccp to rush out some more useless, incomplete crap, like they learned nothing from the failures of incarna 1.0.


Which part of coherent did you not understand?

Mr Epeen Cool
Taiwanistan
#3371 - 2012-03-04 06:09:17 UTC
i know you like taking loads but most people wipe off their eyes before they crust over.

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Zsamael
Dark Ghost Industries
#3372 - 2012-03-04 11:56:03 UTC
Just my 14 pence... CCP we're fuly focused on bringing us WiS and "letting us out of that door" but then.. one dark night they realised they made a game about spaceships not about bears buying each other virtual drinks in virtual bars. Frankly the whole WiS thing doesn't really appeal to me at all as probably 90%+ of the time I'm out in space in a spaceship doing stuff that spacemen do!... Not walking a space barbie round in circles thinking "I wish I could open that door over there!".

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go
Camios
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3373 - 2012-03-04 12:28:31 UTC
Quoting myself shamelessly:

Camios wrote:
In my opinion me the problem of creating meaningful and replayable gameplay lies in the spaceship-centric nature of EVE.

Anything related to trade, industry and spaceships can be done more efficiently from our pods, so tell me for what reason we should exit the pod.

The idea of gambling is good but we can already gamble with EOH poker and such.
Anything regarding social interaction can be done through chat and voice.

In my opinion, apart from completely new gameplay options, people could be encouraged to exit the pod if, for example


  • Exiting your pod gives a boost to the charisma attribute;
  • Talking to an agent in person (face to face) could give you better standings (so that you can use better agents) or gives you a boost in LP pay;
  • when contacting the LP store going there by your feet you could receive some discounts
  • when talking to a broker face to face you are more likely to get a discount on market taxes


And stuff like this. Of course, when people are not in a pod they need to be fed, and here comes the importance of extablishments, food and drink.


  • While you can have some benefits, staying out of the pod for long could reduce the effect of some of your skills.

    • You could get less precise planetary scans,
    • You might look less smart to agents and brokers and then they will be less interested in talking to you.

    To recover from thie status, either you re enter your pod and slowly they will get back to normal (but you'll lose the benefit of being out of the capsule), or consume food and drink and recover instantly.
  • If you offer an agent a drink you *could* get a better pay. Or if he/she's a locator agent he will hurry up to give you the results next time. Or maybe he/she *could* tell you where to find an officer spawn in the next 10 minutes. Of course the agent will just accept a drink from a person at a time, so there will be competition over that.


Player interaction can be more difficult to trigger. But I think that with a solid base of things to do, player interaction will happen around these things.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#3374 - 2012-03-04 17:54:46 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
People still think this sandbox..this market simulator, is only about flying in space?

*sigh*

It's time to move past that and realize the dream of an integrated science fiction future sim that was originally envisioned by the creators of this fine, but lacking game.

Mr Epeen Cool

do you realize that a of people are not about that vision, they are just a bunch of lispers wanting to compare pants and emote each other?


Why are all the current goons so obsessed with pants, when I was in the goons pants hardly ever were discussed!

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate



What alt did you have in goons? Was it a goon alt or a member corp alt?


Tada O was a member of the goon alliance for about 6 months, just before the goons went to null for the first time. They were in a pretty ugly war towards the end and the then leader said corps like us were welcome to leave and come back after the war. Half of us wanted to stay and we created a second corporation to fight in the war the goons were in at the moment (The Freespacer Confederation) but most of the members of that corp were in the military and stopped playing when they were deployed.

By the time the goons had the war in hand and were making their way in null we decided to be one of the founding corps of BRUCE and we moved to Syndicate. One part of the reason we grew unhappy with BRUCE and started friction with primary BRUCE leadership is BRUCE wouldn't "blue" the goons.

Issler
Balthizarr
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3375 - 2012-03-04 19:04:15 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.

"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "

I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.

So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.

DO NOT ABANDON WiS!!
LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!

Issler


I for one agrees with you,

I understand CCP's reasoning for doing a 180 from WIS to all out FIS but it would be good if they at least continued to build on the CQ they've already given us, i'm not expecting them to throw open the door to the station but it would be nice to have a few more things to interact with IE being able to lay down on the bed or put something in that allows you to choose what you want to look at on the TV instead of the continual looping feeds. Maybe allowing you to surf the web using the monitors as if your char was doing it. Just a thought.

I'm sure there will be someone that will come back saying that making these chances will wreak the game cos some dev's arn't making ships we can fly but seeing as Eve is a sandbox and not a 100% flying in space game IE WE CAN AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DOCK IN STATIONS these changes won't wreak anything, they will just give you something to play with whilst docked, something your not forced to play with as we now have a nifty little button meaning anyone not wanting to use CQ doesn't have too.

Basically people buy eve to fly ships in space and no matter how interesting they make WIS pilots will still undock so you can pod them so whats the big deal?

That arguments to kill WIS is as stupid as everyone living in high sec wanting low and Null sec took out of the game cos they never use it. Personal i thank CCP for there continued development of the game and as long as they think before they implement masive changes and like now try and add improvements across the bored, instead of fixating on one part at a time they'll always have my backing.
Sirius Cassiopeiae
Perkone
Caldari State
#3376 - 2012-03-04 23:27:09 UTC
Camios wrote:
stuff.


Not bad ideas.
That way if you want you can stay in your pod but you will get less then person that do that same thing on foot.
Snowulf Romanov
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3377 - 2012-03-05 02:57:57 UTC
Sirius Cassiopeiae wrote:
Camios wrote:
stuff.


Not bad ideas.
That way if you want you can stay in your pod but you will get less then person that do that same thing on foot.


It's not a bad idea, but there would definitely need to be a way to walk/run faster than we do now. If there wasn't, most of your time would be eaten by walking around the station instead of actually doing missions.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3378 - 2012-03-05 03:33:45 UTC
Zsamael wrote:
Just my 14 pence... CCP we're fuly focused on bringing us WiS and "letting us out of that door" but then.. one dark night they realised they made a game about spaceships not about bears buying each other virtual drinks in virtual bars. Frankly the whole WiS thing doesn't really appeal to me at all as probably 90%+ of the time I'm out in space in a spaceship doing stuff that spacemen do!... Not walking a space barbie round in circles thinking "I wish I could open that door over there!".


CCP kieron wrote:

To those voicing concerns this will create tremendous amounts of lag for the players in space, is a waste of resources, etc., please keep in mind that PvE and/or PvP is not something that appeals to the entire player base and different players enjoy different things. A number of players have asked for something along these lines since launch, and we have an opportunity to invest time in this technology for future projects.

As t0rfi stated in the blog, if this is not something you wish to take part in, you will not be forced to do so. You will still have the option to use the current interface for all station services and will not have to use the out of pod interface.

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3379 - 2012-03-05 03:55:25 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Zsamael wrote:
Just my 14 pence... CCP we're fuly focused on bringing us WiS and "letting us out of that door" but then.. one dark night they realised they made a game about spaceships not about bears buying each other virtual drinks in virtual bars. Frankly the whole WiS thing doesn't really appeal to me at all as probably 90%+ of the time I'm out in space in a spaceship doing stuff that spacemen do!... Not walking a space barbie round in circles thinking "I wish I could open that door over there!".


CCP kieron wrote:

To those voicing concerns this will create tremendous amounts of lag for the players in space, is a waste of resources, etc., please keep in mind that PvE and/or PvP is not something that appeals to the entire player base and different players enjoy different things. A number of players have asked for something along these lines since launch, and we have an opportunity to invest time in this technology for future projects.

As t0rfi stated in the blog, if this is not something you wish to take part in, you will not be forced to do so. You will still have the option to use the current interface for all station services and will not have to use the out of pod interface.




So, this quotation still does not back-up your "MAJORITY of EVE players" claim you keep making. It simply states a "number of players".

How many players is that exactly? What can you show us that quantifies a number?


/In before your next Ad hominem.



☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#3380 - 2012-03-05 04:03:34 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Zsamael wrote:
Just my 14 pence... CCP we're fuly focused on bringing us WiS and "letting us out of that door" but then.. one dark night they realised they made a game about spaceships not about bears buying each other virtual drinks in virtual bars. Frankly the whole WiS thing doesn't really appeal to me at all as probably 90%+ of the time I'm out in space in a spaceship doing stuff that spacemen do!... Not walking a space barbie round in circles thinking "I wish I could open that door over there!".


CCP kieron wrote:

To those voicing concerns this will create tremendous amounts of lag for the players in space, is a waste of resources, etc., please keep in mind that PvE and/or PvP is not something that appeals to the entire player base and different players enjoy different things. A number of players have asked for something along these lines since launch, and we have an opportunity to invest time in this technology for future projects.

As t0rfi stated in the blog, if this is not something you wish to take part in, you will not be forced to do so. You will still have the option to use the current interface for all station services and will not have to use the out of pod interface.




So, this quotation still does not back-up your "MAJORITY of EVE players" claim you keep making. It simply states a "number of players".

How many players is that exactly? What can you show us that quantifies a number?


/In before your next Ad hominem.






How about you show me a number that proves me wrong, you can't can you.

How about you stop wasting our time asking for something it would take a CCP survey to understand, realize you have no idea about numbers, all we have is impressions and make your reasoned case against ambulation. Oh, and with proof.

How about this, I've seen the number and its 72.3444456543333321346 percent in favor of Eve. Unfortunately a nondisclosure won't allow me to share the source..... so you prove me wrong.

Issler