Jita Park Speakers Corner

Admitting that you are pro-WiS and threatening to dox Mittens all in the same day seem like bad ideas for your campaign.

He isn't a member of the CSM nor an employee of CCP as it is. So please show me where he went off the wagon.
Instead of shooting the messenger you could aim for the transgressor who leaked the information.

I didn't hear Goonswarm and pets cry out in dismall when Hillmar's e-mail leaked out about privacy being breached nor do I see them cry out in agony when anything NDA covered gets released which they can use in their personal propoganda.

So don't try to appear a choirboy about a similar subject which you threw yoursselves on like a ravenous pack of wolves.

As a South Korean EVE player who is also co-leader of official Korean Localization team for World of Tanks, let me guide you through basic localization steps. CCP might do it in different ways, but the process will be similar.

Localization does not happen just because some people wish for it. For company it's another investment and resource consumption that they have to consider, as well as reputation to think of should the translation quality be absolute trash. It wants to make sure money will flow in, instead of 'spending money on localization and hoping for the best'.


1. Company looks at geographic locations in which people connect from. Then it calculates total number of people, accounts, subscription/payments, etc. Basically whatever data it can get to calculate current players from specific region, whether the player base is in increase/decline.

2. Then it decides whether it would be beneficial to launch localization project for certain language. Remember that a company is not a charity work shop, and it works based on profit. If it can not guarantee more money than it has invested and the resources to be spent to maintain the service, why would it want to do it? The decision is based on statistics and estimation, in which case understanding about the target market plays crucial role. Even then risk follows, but choosing between a go-ahead and not is entirely up to the company doing the actual investing, not players.

3. If it decides, then it has to put someone in charge of said localization and hire people, which equals to resource. Also, when I say 'reputation' the company has to ensure that the translation is of top quality, or the customers the company is targeting will just laugh at the game for poor quality localization even if the game itself is amazing. Even when it's the translators' faults, after all the company is at fault for not being the watchdog, and because it is the game it made, the company has to take full responsibility no matter what.


So let me ask you questions. Was EVE-Online made to target just Iceland and its population? Obviously not. Does CCP want to expand the market? I bet it does. But will CCP spend some of its resources (I bet it's pretty stretched at the moment.) on localization that does not guarantee profit in return (aka uncertainty)? No.

Should CCP make Hindi localization just because it is official language of India and India has approx 20% of world population? This is what you're arguing, basically. Do you think CCP would have invested in China if it was never sure that people would play on Serenity? No. Would CCP have invested in Chinese Localization if it wasn't sure about Chinese player base? No.


ps. Speaking of which, most Koreans love games (especially MMORPG) with leveling elements and legendary items, because it makes those 'chosen few' feel superior to others in comparison. It's all about haves and have-nots. If you have the legendary item sets, then you're respected, because by having that legendary item (which can also be enhanced with enchanting, which has extremely high chance of failing and destroying said item.) you can start pwning those who don't have. By having, it makes 'chosen few' feel invincible. Respect (lol) is gained, people remember your name (although alias), and they gather around you. It's like mini-society. Having brings power and connection. Very simple thing, and yet addicting to some. These are the kind of MMORPGs that Koreans love, not EVE.

In EVE there's no 'glory' or 'invincibility' to be had for having a rare ship (let's say Guardian-Vexor.) full of Meta 14 modules (all of which virtually anyone can get if they have plenty of ISK), because you still get killed relatively easily and lose everything you've worked for in just one blink. One of the reasons why most Korean EVE players choose to be carebears and never step out of their high sec homes. They love to boast about the wealth they have and the powerful supercaps they bought, but actually they're afraid to lose them, because in EVE it's just so easy to lose everything (unlike those MMORPG games where you retain items even when you die.).

In giving out examples of South Korea, you have not studied but simply copied/pasted from a Korean guy (who has no clue wtf he's talking) who is also in your alliance. I know who he is, and I don't like him, but not because he's in other alliance, but because he's been stirring up conflicts between fellow Korean players for years (and yet blame me :/), and only using the Korean community when he is in needs (recent post includes 'Vote riverini, and you get Korean localization!'), while not giving a f that do not benefit him.

Can we assume you have proof of this? Or is this just you still being mad about the Recruitment channel MOTD?

With all the recent outbreaks of e. coli infections in crops, how would you protect planetary interaction from this imminent hazard, and secure our ability to completely pay for our accounts in isk, with only having to spend 20 minutes a day of our time to doing so?

Can't wait for Eve to be Barbies in Space.

Interesting debate last night. I felt that you had the better ideas in that you want the game in expand in more ways, where as the mitani just wants things fixing.

The mitani seems right for the role of chair due to his conversational and management skills but i can't vote for him as he is so against WIS.

I was very disappointed when you brought up the topic of WIS. This is a feature that i would like work to continue on because i think it's the next logical direction for the game to expand. However all you could come up with is that there is a button on the door and you want the ability to pull down your pants... I realise that you were partly joking but you should have simply said that you want the existing FIS to be the main focus but that you also want CCP to keep their vision of making this game a sci fi sim by adding meaningful gameplay to incarna.

... As a result, my vote will be going to Two Step.

let me just say that that (and everything else you said) didn't translate over very well into english hehe

Riverini, I believe you just wanted to spawn a new meme.

I was just trying to have fun, hope u guys got a good laugh out of it.