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Walking in stations and an old promise
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Vagrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-03-03 07:01:29 UTC
I don't often post in the forums. The only reason I don't is because I continue to hope that the makers of this game will deliver on a very old promise. Which they don't AND more than likely will not. Oh, yes, they do provide CQ. HaHa. Let's pump out bigger and badder ships to kill each other with! There's a win! You can pump out a CQ but you can't pump out Walking in Stations?
Taiwanistan
#2 - 2012-03-03 07:03:56 UTC
nope

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Vagrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-03-03 07:08:27 UTC
Great....
Ai Shun
#4 - 2012-03-03 07:10:13 UTC
Vagrin wrote:
I don't often post in the forums. The only reason I don't is because I continue to hope that the makers of this game will deliver on a very old promise. Which they don't AND more than likely will not. Oh, yes, they do provide CQ. HaHa. Let's pump out bigger and badder ships to kill each other with! There's a win! You can pump out a CQ but you can't pump out Walking in Stations?


Do you read the forums often? I'm guessing from the uniqueness of your thread you don't so tell you what - read this, including the dev responses - as you may have missed it.
Vagrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-03-03 07:24:42 UTC
If I have to monitor the forums to get answers then I'm wasting my time in the forums. All I ask is that the makers of the game produce what they promised years ago. They baited a lot of players, from an earlier Walking in Stations game, and they have yet to deliver.
Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-03-03 07:34:04 UTC
poasting in a sh*t thread.
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#7 - 2012-03-03 07:58:40 UTC
I would have been content with CQ invites but to your point, it seems to have been buried somewhere down the line for fear of tantrums.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Herold Oldtimer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-03-03 09:11:51 UTC
They are still working on it, so they are still holding on to that promise. And they will deliver on it, when its ready.
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
#9 - 2012-03-03 09:21:51 UTC
They delivered WIS, and it turned out to be a pathetic waste of resources, and so, that many people unsubscribed, that World of Darkness was put on backburner indefinitelly cos the devs couldnt be paid.

WIS = Good Riddance

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Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-03-03 09:24:51 UTC
Basically CCP blew it by neglecting space (eve) because of walking in stations and making CQ nothing more than a platform for a horrible MT system. Now they're too afraid to approach the subject because last time it blew up in their faces.

You're right though, they did bait some new customers with CQ / WiS which they probably shouldnt have done. Currently WiS lacks the depth the rest of eve has and tbh as soon as I saw the CQ and nex store I stopped looking forward to future development of WiS because I have no faith in CCP ever doing it right. The only content in WiS is space barbie where you have to pay for things that should be included in your subscription payment anyway.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-03-03 10:47:13 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
They delivered WIS, and it turned out to be a pathetic waste of resources, and so, that many people unsubscribed, that World of Darkness was put on backburner indefinitelly cos the devs couldnt be paid.

WIS = Good Riddance




WOD isn,t put on the backburner they have a 60 men team working on it

WIS= Good thing a very small team of devs is looking for a way to develop it further

R.S.I2014
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-03-03 10:48:49 UTC
Bischopt wrote:
Basically CCP blew it by neglecting space (eve) because of walking in stations and making CQ nothing more than a platform for a horrible MT system. Now they're too afraid to approach the subject because last time it blew up in their faces.

You're right though, they did bait some new customers with CQ / WiS which they probably shouldnt have done. Currently WiS lacks the depth the rest of eve has and tbh as soon as I saw the CQ and nex store I stopped looking forward to future development of WiS because I have no faith in CCP ever doing it right. The only content in WiS is space barbie where you have to pay for things that should be included in your subscription payment anyway.



let me bold the part where so many people were mad about and its not WIS

R.S.I2014
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-03-03 10:58:31 UTC
You know that eve is a spaceship game and thats their oldest promise.

Yeah walking in cells wasnt a great start, but ships before hoes right :P

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Aquila Draco
#14 - 2012-03-03 11:06:50 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
You know that eve is a spaceship game and thats their oldest promise.

Yeah walking in cells wasnt a great start, but ships before hoes right :P



Find me one promise where CCP says EVE is meant to be spaceship game and not SciFi simulator.

I love this ppl that wants with lies and false facts that never existed prove their point that does not exists.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-03-03 11:19:56 UTC
lol, funny how people post incorrect statements without checking the facts.

Peter Raptor wrote:
They delivered WIS, and it turned out to be a pathetic waste of resources, and so, that many people unsubscribed, that World of Darkness was put on backburner indefinitelly cos the devs couldnt be paid.

WIS = Good Riddance


The majority of the player base has wanted WiS ever since CCP previewed Ambulation back in 2006. The Incarna Expansion definitely failed to deliver what was promised. That expansion was the catalyst which when combined with resulting events and previous problems ended up being 'The straw that broke the Camel's back'. Those mass unsubs were due to quite a few different things listed here in no particular order.

The 1001 Papercuts thread - list of various broken game mechanics and unfinished content since 2003.
Expansions constantly being rushed out 1/2 finished and bugged breaking existing content.
CCP introducing NEX Store and MT - overpriced items and threat of 'Gold Ammo'.
The leaked memo 'Fearless Newsletter' - Greed is good.
CCP viewing Eve Online as the Golden Goose.
Hilmar's statement - "Watch what they do, not what they say."
CCP failure to maintain promise of 'Commitment to Excellence'.
Ignoring the player base with lack of communication.
CCP dividing development resources to work on 3 different projects.
Excessive thread locking and banned accounts attempting to diffuse the situation.
Showing players 'The Door' and removing option of choice, forcing participation.
Releasing poorly written unoptimized code resulting in client side issues.

I'm sure there's more that can be added to this list but it basically covers most of the reasons for the mass unsubs. WiS and Avatars wasn't the reason.

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Hroya
#16 - 2012-03-03 11:20:17 UTC
Aquila Draco wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:
You know that eve is a spaceship game and thats their oldest promise.

Yeah walking in cells wasnt a great start, but ships before hoes right :P



Find me one promise where CCP says EVE is meant to be spaceship game and not SciFi simulator.

I love this ppl that wants with lies and false facts that never existed prove their point that does not exists.



Fanfest 2004 the question was raised if eve ever would support WIS. Since back then alot of former E&B players flocked to eve because EA sucks as bussiness.

Oveur stated that it was something to concider but no plans or vision was in place how to implement such so that it fits within the brutal eve concept.
Their main focus was on the FIS part of the game as titans were previewed and conceps for future expansions were debated.

WIS would requere the same breakthrough idea as ccp had with their FIS part of the game.
Incarna character creation is a very nice step in that direction. The CQ's look very good.
It is however resource heavy and expanding on it, not to meantion multicharacter enviroments, would requere a huge upgrade.

The Nex store was a good idea, unfortunatly it shouldnt have been presented in it's current concept of RL cash purchases.

Eve's original vision was to create a complete sifi game. That means FIS is just a part of it, granted it should be the main part.



You go your corridor but.
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-03-03 11:26:34 UTC
CCP also promised that WIS wouldn't take away from the development of EVE.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-03-03 11:36:08 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
CCP also promised that WIS wouldn't take away from the development of EVE.


Considering WiS was developed for Eve, your statement is incorrect.

CCP had divided it's development resources to work on DUST514, World Of Darkness and Eve, in that order which basically gave Eve the short end of the stick.


'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Hroya
#19 - 2012-03-03 11:40:08 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
CCP also promised that WIS wouldn't take away from the development of EVE.



Indeed, and that is where it went wrong obviously.
As the complany grew and new bussiness models were implemented they lost focus on their main game.
Bare in mind that ccp isnt that old yet and it has grown quite alot for a niche game developer fast.

They made a mistake, like in eve **** happens.
Now they are back on track and lets hope it stays that way. Keep your main game up to spec and expand on it from there within the vision they had from the beginning.
I am quite convinced that, eventhough the current majority of the playerbase isnt a strong supporter of WIS, if it were to be expanded on within the same brutal concept of the FIS part of the game, it would increase the online playerbase enormously.

WIS is good.
WIS without meaning, concequence or risk is bad.
WIS with death, murder, risk is brilliant.

You go your corridor but.
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
#20 - 2012-03-03 12:35:31 UTC
They have zero netcode and they can't render multiple avatars at once. Plus its taken them 5 years to get to this point.

Its not going to happen for years.
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