EVE General Discussion

It's not particularly convoluted. Just keep a scanner at hand, just like before.

Doesnt help.

if we scan him down and he logs back in, he will ewarp back to his original location, ignoring all forms of Ewar (including HIC points and bubbels)

If we tackle him at a gate and he logs out without himself shooting you, he still disappears after 60 seconds.

Scanning doesnt help unless you can scan and kill him within 60 seconds.

The new changes only effect people who've been shooting. If you're an idiot and warp your supercarrier to a gate, get tackled, you can still just log out.

You must have been killing ships that cant tank for 60 seconds or they aggressed you or someone else before hand

This is worth some sisi testing.

Really don't see what's so unfair or horrible about making it so you stay in space if you're aggressed while logged off. As it stands now logoffski is 100% unchanged unless you're flying a supercap.

As a rather hilarious example of people trying to out-cheese each other, I remember a couple weeks back we were doing a logistics run, decided rather than head straight back to Stain we'd buy some battleships and be stupid with them in lowsec until they exploded, then go home.

We'd been camping for a few hours when a bait obelisk rolls up to the gate. Jumps through, instantly logs. We shoot it into structure but most of the fleet was off the gate at the time and it disappears halfway through structure. He has a few friends jump in after him but they see they're clearly outmatched so they go back to the gate and jump back into highsec.

We set a log-in trap on the gate and wait. Sure enough, he logs in. We log in too and he logs off instantly. We get couple more salvos in but he disappears at about 10% structure.

We move off the gate. A while later he logs in again. We warp back to the gate, our scout reports a large T3/BS armor fleet with logi support jumping into the highsec system one jump over, but it's a lolop and we kinda want to go home so we decide to go for it anyway.

We kill the obelisk and a minimally-tanked link Legion, almost kill an absolution. But we're clearly outmatched and can't kill anything once their reps get going (they brought six guardians, lol) so the FC says to deagress, jump into highsec, and die to CONCORD so they don't get any killmails. They got two battleships and a HIC, rest were able to jump into highsec under GCC (jumping clears aggression) and die to CONCORD so the hostile fleet wouldn't get their mails.

The moral of this story is I hope CCP takes a good look at all of these lame mechanics for this summer's expansion.

1) Jumping shouldn't clear aggression (i.e. if you jump and then die, the people who shot you somewhere else should still appear on the KM). Every dictor pilot everywhere will love you.
2) Self-destructing shouldn't clear aggression, but we've discussed this to death already.
3) Being aggressed while logged off should refresh the disappearance timer. I think this would be the best balance between people who crash (if they manage to e-warp they'll still vanish after 1 minute even if someone takes a potshot at them) and people who log off to avoid a legit ship kill.

By 'disappearance timer' I meant either the 15 minute timer if you're under aggression, or the 1 minute timer if you're not. The idea being if you crash and someone takes a random potshot at you you don't sit in space for 15 minutes while he gets his prober alt/friends to find you, but if you actually get tackled while logged off you're still exposed, since it's very unlikely that this would happen accidentally to a ship that can tank a gang for a full minute with no tanking mods active.

Did you aggress him before or after he logged off?

This is a very important point.

If the target logs off right after he jumps through a gate, your tackle will be aggression after he logged off. The target will stay tackled for 60s then disappear.
If you manage to aggress and tackle the target before he logs off then you get to wreck him for 15 minutes. If you aggress him again during that 15 minutes, it will reset the 15 minute timer so he will stay there until he is dead or DT.
If your target has aggression but you do not tackle him, he will emergency warp to a safespot for 15 minutes. You can reset that 15 minutes if you probe him and aggress him again.

GCC has nothing to do with aggression, jumping through a stargate will reset any aggression you have. You do not have to attack to get aggression. The target shoots you = aggression. The target does nothing but you tackle him = aggression.

Yes it is terribly lame that someone can log off to save their ship still. EVE-Online has the softest, most ridiculously unbalanced log off mechanics in any MMORPG I've ever played. Most require you to camp for 10-15s and if you are attacked in that 10-15s then you are screwed. This is why a dictor is a must for any serious roam and low sec is logoff-sec.

The mechanism in place prevents people that are involved in a battle from escaping via logoff.

If you are not aggressed at logoff, then you are not in a battle, and logoff normally.