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Darn you CCP for banning mission bots!
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Smodab Ongalot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-03-01 21:29:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Smodab Ongalot
[tongue in cheek]

We were having so much fun killing them.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&view=kills&plt_id=374927&m=2&y=2012&scl_id=40

But now there are so few!

http://goo.gl/hxkPM

See how the NPC kills drop of quite abruptly?

Cry

[/tongue in cheek]
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-03-01 21:33:37 UTC
DHAM!

Thats a lot of quitting right there!

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#3 - 2012-03-01 21:35:35 UTC
Whoa! Shocked

That is some srs business.

Keep the bots down, Sreegs. Good job!

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Liam Mirren
#4 - 2012-03-01 23:50:48 UTC
That graph is an eye opener right there, CCP needs to put in more effort to get rid of these fuks, everywhere.

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Delici Feelgood
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-03-02 00:05:56 UTC
Hopefully with all the cumulative bounties down from NPC kills that botting would have likley brought theres a very real possibility of inflation being seriously hit as a result.

Two birds, one stone.

Much respect CCP.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2012-03-02 00:12:01 UTC
The mineral market its about to go bonkers. Trit very nearly hit 5 isk a unit yesterday and ice is going to be on the up againTwisted
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#7 - 2012-03-02 00:24:19 UTC
Delici Feelgood wrote:
Hopefully with all the cumulative bounties down from NPC kills that botting would have likley brought theres a very real possibility of inflation being seriously hit as a result.

Two birds, one stone.

Much respect CCP.

This is where we discuss highsec incursions right?

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#8 - 2012-03-02 00:32:58 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Delici Feelgood wrote:
Hopefully with all the cumulative bounties down from NPC kills that botting would have likley brought theres a very real possibility of inflation being seriously hit as a result.

Two birds, one stone.

Much respect CCP.

This is where we discuss highsec incursions right?


Nah this is where we talk about Drones dropping ISK bounties instead of Minerals & REALLY watch the markets go bonkers Shocked
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KrakizBad
Section 8.
#9 - 2012-03-02 00:34:14 UTC
Ban hisec incursion bots. I mean players.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#10 - 2012-03-02 00:41:26 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Ban hisec incursion bots. I mean players.

I've never seen a succesful Incursion bot... Was suspicious about 1 fleet once but it turned out just to be a bad FC
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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#11 - 2012-03-02 00:53:24 UTC
I feel bad for CCP.

Bots and Incursion farmers are the middle class of EVE.

- Super Bloc Directors
--------- Bots
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Everyone else.

Killing bots, while I support it only plays in to the Hegemony of EVE and will benefit the SBD's more than the Everyone else.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#12 - 2012-03-02 01:22:36 UTC
Mineral prices are already climbing, but I'm sure that's speculation. Most builders have large stockpiles. However I find it ironic to think that botters were actually keeping prices down - quite the opposite of what a lot of people were claiming (miners = inflation!).

One thing makes me happy though - CCP usually returns banned accounts with negative sums of ISK in their wallets. Therefore let's have a moment of silence for all those vast billions of ISK that have passed away suddenly.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-03-02 01:29:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
Ptraci wrote:
Mineral prices are already climbing, but I'm sure that's speculation. Most builders have large stockpiles. However I find it ironic to think that botters were actually keeping prices down - quite the opposite of what a lot of people were claiming (miners = inflation!).

One thing makes me happy though - CCP usually returns banned accounts with negative sums of ISK in their wallets. Therefore let's have a moment of silence for all those vast billions of ISK that have passed away suddenly.


Can you confirm Ptraci wether you are saying others claim that, mining = inflation, or that you are?

Mining is only associated with the movement of isk from one person to another from the aquisition of mineral assests and it's applied use into added value goods. In this sense it does not generate any isk into the game to cause inflationary issues, if anything mining is an isk sink due to the associated manufaturing and sales costs to NPCs.

The idea that "price change" might be significant is simply a process of supply and demand however.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#14 - 2012-03-02 01:34:08 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
However I find it ironic to think that botters were actually keeping prices down - quite the opposite of what a lot of people were claiming (miners = inflation!).
I've never seen anyone claim that mining leads to inflation, unless they were deeply confused about how the flow of money and material worked in the economy.
Jita Alt666
#15 - 2012-03-02 01:34:14 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:


Mining is only associated with the movement of isk from one person to another from the aquisition of mineral assests and it's applied use into added value goods. In this sense it does not generate any isk into the game to cause inflationary issues, if anything mining is an isk sink due to the associated manufaturing and sales costs to NPCs.

The idea that "price change" might be significant is simply a process of supply and demand however.


Please tell me your definition of isk sink.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#16 - 2012-03-02 01:38:09 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Please tell me your definition of isk sink.
He's widening the definition to be “by extension”, but he's quite correct. If you include any of the things you actually do with that ore, mining is an ISK sink — you either sell it (taxes) or your manufacture (optional install costs).

But sure, mining in and of itself does not sink any ISK, but then again, it doesn't create any other…
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-03-02 01:38:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:


Mining is only associated with the movement of isk from one person to another from the aquisition of mineral assests and it's applied use into added value goods. In this sense it does not generate any isk into the game to cause inflationary issues, if anything mining is an isk sink due to the associated manufaturing and sales costs to NPCs.

The idea that "price change" might be significant is simply a process of supply and demand however.


Please tell me your definition of isk sink.


Tippia wrote:
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Please tell me your definition of isk sink.
He's widening the definition to be “by extension”, but he's quite correct. If you include any of the things you actually do with that ore, mining is an ISK sink — you either sell it (taxes) or your manufacture (optional install costs).

But sure, mining in and of itself does not sink any ISK, but then again, it doesn't create any other…


There are charges associated with running industrial processes that are paid to NPCs.

Likewise sales tax and escrow charges incur further isk payments to NPCs. These are applied to ores aswell as refined minerals and goods.

Since the payments go out of the game and are not kept in the player environment it is defined as an isk sink.

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Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#18 - 2012-03-02 04:07:53 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
The mineral market its about to go bonkers. Trit very nearly hit 5 isk a unit yesterday and ice is going to be on the up againTwisted


MINERS (the legitimate kind)!!!!!!!!!!! THERE IS PROFIT TO BE HAD!!!!!!

Adapt or Die
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#19 - 2012-03-02 05:46:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Ptraci
Grumpy Owly wrote:

Can you confirm Ptraci wether you are saying others claim that, mining = inflation, or that you are?



Others claim that mining = inflation and that "killing miners" helps to stabilize prices. And that tech moons are isk printing factories. Ad nauseam. Which they are not. I have it very clear where isk comes from: rat bounties, mission rewards and insurance payouts. But you know the general level of understanding of the EVE economy is around the pre-kindergarten level. They all believe in magic. Heck even their killboards try to claim that destroyed ships have a "destroyed isk" equivalent when we all know that popping a ship actually adds isk to the economy.
Bubanni
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-03-02 07:44:31 UTC
Supply and demand... More suppy in terms of minierals actually causes deflation, not inflation... :) (making each unit of trit worth less)

I wouldn't call the "soon to be" rise in mineral prices, a inflation, but merely a stabilazation, slowly making mining worth it for the average player

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