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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#41 - 2012-02-05 21:25:12 UTC
Magic Missiles cannot be found.

There is currently no character profile with the name Magic Missiles


We've all been trolololo'd or he's already rage quit.
OfBalance
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-02-05 21:30:02 UTC
8/10 Fairly amusing, not subtle, but seemed convincing.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2012-02-05 23:17:53 UTC
I like to think I genuinely helped with his npc forum alt grievance
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#44 - 2012-02-06 00:31:10 UTC
Plutonian wrote:
Magic Missiles wrote:
... My first forray into a corp of this kind was fun, but I ended up spending a lot of time being scourged by the constant need to find some source of income. Buying things in nullsec was expensive, going back to empire every time I need a ship was out of the question.

So the question remains burning in my mind: Am I looking for a unicorn here? Are all the universally helpful alliances either training corps or private shops? Is there a publicly recruiting alliance that has ship replacement and other essentials necessary to keeping a lowly newb such as myself flying in fleets rather than continuously worrying about how and where he'll buy his next rifter?

I understand what you're asking, but the quoted section above sent warning bells off in my mind.

There are no corps I am aware of, in Empire, Lowsec, or Null, which will provide you ships and modules, freeing you from ever having to generate isk. Every serious corporation I have ever seen requires their pilots to be self-sufficient to some degree.

EDIT: NM... you addressed this point before I could post. I misunderstood.


Goonswarm and Dreddit I believe provide their newbies with free cheap ships, and I've heard that Pandemic Legion keeps its members rolling in whatever PvP ships they might need.

Beyond that, there a varying levels of ship replacement programs in most alliances.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Katrina Bekers
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#45 - 2012-02-06 15:09:25 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Quote:
Everyone and his mom would love to just login/shoot/logout, as if EVE was some F2P space version of World of Tanks.


I was with you right up until the moment you made it out that being able to log in for five minutes and shoot stuff would be a bad thing and compare it to something like World of Tanks. There's a reason why counter-strike and games like it have still been going strong after ten years.

No, my friend, I'm not even trying to paint that as a bad thing. Sorry if my wording was unclear.

I'm saying that this is not how THIS game has been developed. I'd love to fit my Proteus and just blindly jump into EC-P8R all day long, over and over, pod by pod, like I did in Quakeworld back in the '90. This is EVE, and it's simply different. You don't play chess with the same mindset of tic-tac-toe. You don't play EVE with the same mindset as Counterstrike.

Or, better: you can. But then don't complain you leave disappointed...

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Serene Repose
#46 - 2012-02-06 15:12:25 UTC
That'll teach you to believe everything you read.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
#47 - 2012-02-06 15:56:01 UTC
your not looking hard enough!

My corp has
free t1 hulls and modules up to cruiser's.
A training program
Open recruitment

Sure we hold sov but that is not all we do, some people run 4's on the side or run in NPC 0.0 for small gang fights...all very noob friendly.

Would liek to think most other corps are the same....you don't need or nessisarly want to be in THE traning corp.
Trunhe
NovaTech Holdings
#48 - 2012-03-01 15:11:17 UTC
Typherian wrote:
Hell my corp loves nubbies. Almost all of my core members joined at one point or another as nubs and grew into solid dependable pilots as they took over regular roles in fleets and one of them regularly FCs our roams. Honestly I think two or three of them are better at eve than I am and they have been playing less than half the time I have. In my opinion what you really need to find is a small to mid sized PvP corp to learn the ropes and if you find you still want to go to the blob after that move on. But if you can get a few months of a small PvP corp on your record and get your K/D established you can usually hop into a larger nullsec corp from there without too much trouble. Also if you can find them look into NPC 0.0 dwellers. You get to learn how to live in null without many of the requirements of the big power blocks. Most corps living out there move ships into their AO using carriers making the 20+ jumps through nullsec shortened down to suicide podding yourself out there to meet your ships at the other end. Don't be discouraged newbies there are plenty of opportunities out there just have to find them!


That is because you are terrible at EvE. Just saying.

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Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#49 - 2012-03-01 17:03:21 UTC
Magic Missiles wrote:

And again, to the best of my knoweldge, both groups find members through their own private communities rather than the new player population in general. I realize this is most likely due to the issue of spies.


It's not even a 'spy' issue, as far as I know, but one of quality control. Goonswarm, for example, is composed of people from a very specific Internet subculture; to become a Goon, you have to have been participating in their forum community for quite a long while, and met several other criteria in the interim. They can judge immediately whether or not the potential recruit would fit in, just by the content and tone of their forum posts.

Another reason is that new players need space to learn, and throwing them to the wolves (ie, putting them in a corp full of veterans) is just going to make a new player feel inadequate, especially when the veterans show off their shiny battleships and the new guy's still in a Rifter.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#50 - 2012-03-01 17:46:35 UTC
Magic Missiles wrote:
So the question remains burning in my mind: Am I looking for a unicorn here? Are all the universally helpful alliances either training corps or private shops? Is there a publicly recruiting alliance that has ship replacement and other essentials necessary to keeping a lowly newb such as myself flying in fleets rather than continuously worrying about how and where he'll buy his next rifter?


My corp is newbie-friendly (we don't mind teaching you the ropes) and offers free T1 frigates and fittings, especially Rifters. However we base out of FW lowsec, not nullsec. We are doing well as we are now, but I can say from the experience of having tried to run Rifterlings in nullsec, it is nigh-impossible.

Newbies are scared of nullsec. It is quite dangerous, far away from anything else, and more expensive than hisec. It is also difficult to truly realize the potential of nullsec income as a newbie. Also, once your corp gets the reputation of being a newbie corp, "pro pvpers" will focus on you specifically for PvP fodder. Unless the corp already has a strong, large membership, and ongoing active recruitment to replace those who ragequit, it will falter. The only place this is maintainable is somewhere like Providence, which isn't "real nullsec" as most would call it.

The reason Rifterlings is in FW lowsec is because it is much friendlier to newbies in Rifters. The targets are still plentiful (because of FW), while there are also shiptype-limited areas (plexes) where Rifters are safe from Cynabals and the like. In the meantime, the income from level 4 FW missions is incredibly high for their level of difficulty. Being in lowsec also preserves access to trade hubs, while also making logistics for the corp easier (as in, not require a cyno chain and a jump freighter).

Anyway, this horse has been beaten to death already as it is a long thread. My two cents is basically: 0.0 is overrated and often full of "holier than thou" pro PvPers; try to look elsewhere.

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Doc Severide
Doomheim
#51 - 2012-03-01 19:05:58 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
There's a reason why counter-strike and games like it have still been going strong after ten years.

Please go play one of them....
Stellar Vix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-03-01 19:39:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Stellar Vix
SWA is public but it requires you to have a new Caldari character. Either way I am very busy increasing staffing now.

I do receive large alliance donations time to time to issue out free ships I offer a great deal of pvp training both theory and actual and currently in the process of flight enable training additional Fleet Commanders.

We don't do alliance politics, we don’t have corp. squabbling beyond me ramming my boot up a rook so far, he starts to taste leather.

No obligations, No alarm clock ops, No body stealing your entire hanger bays, lowest skill requirements ever, rook friendly, publications for self study, leave granted, nobody can kick you out either.

The worst thing that can happen is you showing up to one of my operations and I order the fleet to primary you but it takes a lot of bad marks for me to order that.

or either that you self learn a lesson and we all point and laugh as you earn rook of the day award.

-Vix

SWA Instructor, Commander Select Currently being blamed as SWA's CEO SWA PVP Program
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-03-01 21:44:34 UTC
Stellar Vix wrote:
SWA is public but it requires you to have a new Caldari character. Either way I am very busy increasing staffing now.

I do receive large alliance donations time to time to issue out free ships I offer a great deal of pvp training both theory and actual and currently in the process of flight enable training additional Fleet Commanders.

We don't do alliance politics, we don’t have corp. squabbling beyond me ramming my boot up a rook so far, he starts to taste leather.

No obligations, No alarm clock ops, No body stealing your entire hanger bays, lowest skill requirements ever, rook friendly, publications for self study, leave granted, nobody can kick you out either.

The worst thing that can happen is you showing up to one of my operations and I order the fleet to primary you but it takes a lot of bad marks for me to order that.

or either that you self learn a lesson and we all point and laugh as you earn rook of the day award.

-Vix

Jesus, this makes me want to start a new character......

>,<

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2012-03-01 22:20:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarsus Zateki
If an alliance doesn't provide its members with a limitless supply of Rifters it doesn't deserve to exist. Any alliance that shuns newbies should be wiped from the face of New Eden. Every newbie is an enemy ship warp scrambled. Every newbie is an adorable bundle of questions that help bitter vets be less bitter.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2012-03-01 22:36:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
RubyPorto wrote:
and I've heard that Pandemic Legion keeps its members rolling in whatever PvP ships they might need.

relatively sure that's not true - as far as I recall shadoo argued vehemently against full reimbursements in some semi-recent kugu thread.

It's hard to strike a good balance - full reimbursements reward all sorts of retardedness and if you look at people that grew up with full reimbursements (thinking specifically of TEST here) they sometimes seem to lack any sort of survival instinct.
They get primaried but they'll never think of warping out - even if they're outside of bubbles. Instead they'll make their logis waste rep cycles before dying horribly.
Hostile bombing run while FC is distracted - 80% of the fleet dies despite having been aligned to a celestial as nobody told them to hit the warp button.
and so on...

On the other hand these pilots have no qualms about x-ing up for risky fleets and will follow FC orders to the best of their abilities in cases where other pilots might hesitate because they disagree with their commander's judgement.

An ~elite pvp~ alliance like PL can generally rely on their members being self-sufficient (by way of alts) and motivated enough to sign up for pvp even if it isn't free (as they joined for one thing and that is pvp). They can afford to focus on incentives to increase pilot quality.

A random kitchen-sink alliance usually has to focus on quantity alone as it is hard enough to get people who joined for access to ABC ores into pvp ships at all. For them reducing psychological and monetary loss aversion is essential (and full reimbursements do that).

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#56 - 2012-03-01 22:39:59 UTC
My corp recently adopted a newbie. The completely absurd questions are adorable.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2012-03-01 22:40:58 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
My corp recently adopted a newbie. The completely absurd questions are adorable.


Has he called out a tackle on a Drone yet?

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Spurty
#58 - 2012-03-01 22:51:59 UTC
Forget working for ISK, just sell gtcs For that. Only work you should be doing in a game is working out what's fun!

Grab a rifter (or 20) go try some tricks.
- Work out how the game works,
- work out who is where are what they do when you kick their nest.
- work out where you want to live
- work out who's who
- work out which side has the most egotistical members and fly for the opposition

Any other work is just not fun.

Recommend you start off looking for nomadic corps. No one with sov is going to be as much fun

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And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

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Berke Negri
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#59 - 2012-03-01 23:14:15 UTC
whatever you do don't join ncdot because they're terrible
Serene Repose
#60 - 2012-03-01 23:20:32 UTC
If the corp is closed, how would you know it's the "best"?

We must accommodate the idiocracy.