Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It occured to me the other day that one of the major tactics used in PvP against cap ships in both wormholes and Empire is bumping. Keep ramming that ship to force it to go any direction but the one it wants to go in. Bump it off the WH or keep it from aligning for a warp out. I wouldn't say it is anything necessarily broken but it doesn't quite make sense to me.

Frankly the way I see it in my head is that the only thing that should be able to bump a cap ship is another cap ship. Perhaps a battleship could a little but not anywhere to the extent that they do now. Even if you have a ship traveling at a fast speed and considering it's mass you still have to take into account the mass of the capital ship and the forces it is using to keep itself in place. Realistically I would say that a battleship hitting a capital would severely cripple if not destroy the battleship and likely wouldn't do much to the capital short of scratching the paint. Battlecruisers and below should stand no chance in hell of even flinching a capital off it's course at all under any circumstance. But...EvE doesn't have collisions in a realistic way. We are told EvE ships have some sort of safety mechanism that fires all thrusters to avoid collision. If that is the case...why does the capital move at all?

My point is...a capital should be able to forcefully power it's way to it's destination and not have to worry about any other ship short of another capital impeding that.

Does anybody else agree with me?

In the end and in all honesty I hate the collision mechanic in EvE. I would love to see damage taken for collisions but that would require a change to the controls of a game which will never happen.

Yes...it was in the lore somewhere. I think one of the books but that is definately what was said about the collision mechanics.

Right...but why would a capital ship, knowing it would cream anything else out there that runs into it short of another capital, flinch? It's like the semi truck on the freeway. It dosn't get out of your way...you get out of it's way because when it comes right down to it, it will win.

For ships on the same side, I would agree.

For ships that are on opposing sides, especially in a conflict, set it to a checkbox so if your ship is bigger, you can use it to your advantage.
When a collision happens then, it could have it try to behave normally on whichever ship has less mass in a collision, and let the big ship scrape the bugs off it's grill after.

I would laugh if a freighter picked up kill mails that way.

not that i support this, since no one should be in the position of "bumping", though ideally caps shouldnt be bumped by anything of a lower weight class. BUT since we already have mechanics that only work in certain sec's, can't this just be 1 more mechanic that makes low/null or maybe just null/wh's more unique?

i woulod also love the ability to shoot bombs form a stealth bomber blindly through a wormhole to take out the guys camping the other side.

Justifying in game mechanics with IRL logic: priceless.

I had a different idea for this and am currently thinking it over as to whether it would actually be worth posting about. Gate and WH games are absolutely pathetic. Station games a little harder to manage and yet just as pathetic. But yes I agree with that sentiment. However...caps cannot use gates...short of the Orca...if you can call that a cap ship.

Said idea posted HERE.


It really only applies to cap ships. So yes on a POS, WH or Station is the only places where your concern would apply but they are still a capital ship. They should be able to force their way through just about everything other than another capital. Its just a matter of mass. Ive seen some pretty rediculous videos of a Mach bumping out a Nyx at some rediculous speed from a POS. That just shouldn't be possible. Its a ******* supercap compared to a battleship!

Edit: Actually in thinking about it a capital that is sitting still and not moving at all...(engines off)...should be able to be bumped by perhaps a battleship but not to a very fast speed. It should take several bumps to move it even 1k even with a MWD on. You shouldnt be able to use a BS and make a capital move 400ms.

Thanks for all that "invaluable" feedback.

if it was up to me :

if i was flying a carrier and anything smaller than me flew at me on a collision course full speed then the ship would either just blow up (causing small shield damage to the carrier) or sustain heavy damage to its self

ccp should make bumping a feature and introduce tractor beams that can tractor other ships so to tractor a carrier you would need say 10 tractor beams etc etc

food for thought