EVE General Discussion

This is petition to restore all the item names which were already renamed and to stop the entire renaming process for good.

CCP clearly ignores the fact that old item names are well known to most veteran players and they give depth and variety to the game. Simple tasks like manufacturing, trading, pvp or missioning become pain when you don't know what your modules or ammo do any more. You have to learn everything again.

I wonder what is the idea behind this... Is it better that new player learns stuff once or that new player learns stuff once and old player studies the same stuff twice? This has to be CCP logic.

Another thing to remember is that renaming the items do not only affect those who play the game, but also those who have done or use external 3rd party programs or spreadsheets. Fixing all 3rd party data containers will cause work hours for years.

If we think about the new player, the names are not the problem. Lack of simple methods to display the items meta level (unless in hangar) is way worse stepping stone to newbs and annoying thing to old timers too. Specially the market should have meta levels visible in item group view. Items could be even sorted by their meta level in there.

Compare tool really needs to have easier way to access. It is pretty much only tool what you can use to compare different meta level items easily. It wouldn't harm to enable the meta level column in hangar by default too as most people don't even know that it is there. Makes it bit hard to sort stuff...

Other alternative ways to avoid renaming and to help all players:
- add some default selectable item groups to compare tool like different kind of ammo, charges and missiles for easy viewing.
- add right click function "show all variations (in compare tool)" to items with multiple meta levels and variations.
- add right click function "show other items of the group (in compare tool)" to (all?) items. Would show same items than in bottom level market group. For example other minmatar frigates or small projectile ammos.
- add own search function and hideable item browser to compare tool. Should support also drag and drop like atm.
- add filters to market to show only items related to kinetic, thermal, em or explosive (similiar than the button which u can press to "show only available") *special thanks to "Alpheias" for the original idea.

Dumping stuff down is really bad solution. Giving easier access to study and learn the complex will be much better solution in long term. Variety in item names has history and it gives so much more lifetime to the game.

Please sign up if you're with me in this fail boat.

Veteran players have already made all the alts they need. Friendlier interface = more new players that can understand the game = more new alt accounts = more RL ISK for CCP.

yep

too bad the forums don't have a dislike so we can negrep the op into oblivion

Accessibility < Immersion.

Too much accessibility kill games.

No to the WoW spirit.
No to the new names.

Nah.

It's a nice improvement that doesn't dumb down the game in any way. Variety can be maintained by having a few different schemes, if that's so near and dear to everyone's hearts, but the schemes themselves are an excellent idea.

Don't like the new names, don't think the old names should return though. A change was needed, but the way it was implemented, IMO, was kind of a let down.

CCP, when you fix the more important stuff, please go back for a round 2 at naming things nicely, creatively and in a manner that makes sense?..

This election year I'm voting for Change

I just wish CCP had a better grasp of reality or the English language because so far the name changes have been at best a complete waste of time and at worst more confusing then the old names.

2003 player here, do i count as veteran?

i think my brain is still able to adapt to change.

so i fully support CCP on this :P


pls everybody imagine a -1 on OP

Dude, stop living in the past.

Insulting ppl and then saying no offence is still an insult.

Go back and work on your weird Greasemonkey scripts so eve|gate will again look like the ActiveServerPages version from 10 years ago.

I have no problems with the goal of these changes. My only gripe is with the implementation, which misses the opportunity to improve the names as well as make them more functional. It's still more good than bad and I can live with the bad.