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Want to join GoonWaffe? Well, this is my experience...
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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#241 - 2012-02-28 22:19:01 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:
Question : Did the transgressor find his victim in the recruitement channel and as such has used the recruitement channel as platform to find his victim?
Answer : Yes.

PROVE IT!


Even if he can prove it it doesn't matter. Finding targets in the recruitment channel was never against the ToS.

The MOTD was in error.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#242 - 2012-02-28 23:14:10 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:

Even if he can prove it it doesn't matter. Finding targets in the recruitment channel was never against the ToS.

The MOTD was in error.


Doesn't matter if the MOTD was in error.

As long as that MOTD was up it should have been treated as a directive from an authorized person from CCP and should have been acted upon asif it wasn't in error.
By going against the directive which was stated in the MOTD the transgressor willingly chose to go against ToS rule 6 and as such has broken a rule.

The only correct way would have been to petition said wrong notification and wait till it was removed from the MOTD. He chose an action however in contradiction to the rules he agreed upon.

The victim was under a false pretence of security due to this error. As such one can argue that he is also entitled to a full compensation by CCP for his losses because he was given a false sense of security by an inaccurate MOTD.
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#243 - 2012-02-28 23:17:58 UTC
It also amuses me to see how bitter the Goonswarm and their pets sound in this thread.

Namecalling people who don't afree with you is actually a sign that there is a certain lack somewhere else.
Ispai Ponue
Chaos Delivery Systems
#244 - 2012-02-28 23:30:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ispai Ponue
And in other news, WATER IS WET!!!

Don't join goons or test. Anyone that contacts you from these alliances (as well as others, but you can be 100% certain with these guys) and asks you to join them or rent from them is scamming you. It's so commonly known it's amazing to me that people still fall for it...but hey, people pay 350m+ for drake BPC's in Jita so...

Frankly, I don't feel the least sorry for people who would want to join well known scammers and then get scammed for trying.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#245 - 2012-02-28 23:32:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Ladie Harlot
Killer Gandry wrote:
It also amuses me to see how bitter the Goonswarm and their pets sound in this thread.


Why on earth would we be bitter? We got our way.

You are the one filing a bunch of petitions that are just going to get laughed at. It's against the rules to discuss specific outcomes of GM tickets but let me assure that the Goons who were involved in this mess recently got happy and uplifting messages from the GM team about this issue. I'm going to predict that you won't.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Jita Alt666
#246 - 2012-02-28 23:45:01 UTC
With the MOTD on the worst channel in the spaceship game Eve Online changed this thread is now redundant and should be locked as the only options left for discussion are:
Gloating about scamming
Whining about scammers
Posting something off topic

It is safe to say that the forces of "Eve is a cold dark universe deal wiz it" have won a minor battle against the forces of "let me shoot rocks or red crosses in a family orientated safe environment"
Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#247 - 2012-02-29 00:10:12 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:
It also amuses me to see how bitter the Goonswarm and their pets sound in this thread

Roll surely this is a pyrrhic victory, bittersweet as they come
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#248 - 2012-02-29 01:21:05 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:
Doesn't matter if the MOTD was in error.


Yes, it does.

Here in the UK (and in many countries) it is the law to abide to road signs. They are in effect what is informing you of the law about what you are doing (driving). They are setup and maintained by the highways agency, who are not themselves the setter of the law.

To make my analogy clear:

- Signpost = MOTD
- Highways agency = GM

Now. What happens if the law is changed up high, to change all 30mph zones into 35mph zone, and the highways agency misread the memo and set all the signs to 25mph?

The law in this instance would state that you need to drive within the stated speed limit (25mph). However, there is no law stating that stretch of road is actually that speed. Though you would be breaking the law to abide by the stated speed limit, there would be no *actual law* broken. Ultimately the question is asked "is 30mph in a 35mph zone speeding?" to which the answer is no. You may well get ticketed / fined for it, but an appeals court will reverse the charges. This is how it works in that frustrating place called "the real world" and how it should / does happen in this case.

n.b. you're still stating they broke the rule, but the fact is you can only create that rule if you selectively quote the MOTD. You can only create an illusion of safety if you selectively quote the MOTD because it actually TELLS THE USER that it is their own responsibility and CCP will not step in.

What part of "we will not get involved" was unclear?

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

xavier69
Stark Enterprises LLC
#249 - 2012-02-29 01:29:44 UTC
Quote:
I checked that toon's info and found out he's the recruitment director or something. He explained me that there was an error on the deposit, it was not 500mil, but it was calculated on my total assets value, and I had to give them a total of 25% of that value, which is 3.25bil. At this point I smelled a scam, but after thinking well about it, I decided to pay the rest of the money for 2 reasons.


1. You are an Idoit
2. You are an Idoit

You gave goons 3.2bil BUAHAHAH ROFL


Quote:
My deposit went from 25% of my total assets, to 75% of it, which is basically, another 6,5 billion isk. At this point the situation really looked pathetic to me



No dude it was pathetic the minute they asked for money and you where stupid enough to give it to them.


with my main over 118m sp now if i was asked to pay more than 200m isk entrance fee i would laugh my arse off at the recruiter and say no mofo you need me more than i need you, how many you got in your allince with over 100m sp maybe i should charge YOU! but i am guessing your toon isnt that epic thus you got scammed rather than taken seriously

i give you some advice STAY in empire or just sell everything you own and give it away thats what will happen if you go to 0.0 with the way you hanndled this situation you will be scamed and killed till you have nothing left there
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#250 - 2012-02-29 01:44:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Nariya Kentaya
never ever ever ever ever ever ever believe a goon "recruiting agent" unless they are from bat country, in my experience bat country are pretty nice dudes, though though many of the other corps seem to prefer pro-trolling instead of recruitment.

also, seriously? over 3bil to JOIN a corp? didnt ask for collateral or any form of reassurance? didnt even barter to have corp-rights in exchange? hell, their are some low-sec alliances that woudl sell you the executor position for 3bil...
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#251 - 2012-02-29 02:03:52 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Yes, it does.

Here in the UK (and in many countries) it is the law to abide to road signs. They are in effect what is informing you of the law about what you are doing (driving). They are setup and maintained by the highways agency, who are not themselves the setter of the law.



So here you drive on a road which has roadsigns that indicate the maximum speed is 60 miles per hour. Then some police officer pulls you aside and informs you that the next 20 miles you may not exceed 35 miles per hour.

Well the roadsigns said 60 miles per hour so screw that police officer and his 35 miles per hour and keep on driving 60 miles per hour.

I am fairly certain it will hold well in court if you get caught doing 60 miles after being told by a police officer not to exceed 35 miles per hour.
As it will hold very well in many other countries.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#252 - 2012-02-29 02:44:21 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:
I am fairly certain it will hold well in court


Now you're just trolling. Nobody can be this stupid for real.

In the end it doesn't matter. No rules were broken, the Goons involved have received a sincere apology from CCP, and the integrity of the Eve sandbox has been preserved.

We win again.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
#253 - 2012-02-29 02:49:18 UTC
This is my experience of wanting to join Goonswarm:
I didn't.

                      "LIVE FAST DIE." - traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed]
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#254 - 2012-02-29 03:08:47 UTC
Wyke Mossari wrote:
How can you have played long enough to accumulate 12+ Billion and still not know about the Goon recruitment scam?


yup
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#255 - 2012-02-29 05:03:56 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
In the end it doesn't matter. No rules were broken, the Goons involved have received a sincere apology from CCP, and the integrity of the Eve sandbox has been preserved.

We win again.

Ah well, meta win huh.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#256 - 2012-02-29 07:38:29 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
In the end it doesn't matter. No rules were broken, the Goons involved have received a sincere apology from CCP, and the integrity of the Eve sandbox has been preserved.

We win again.

Ah well, meta win huh.


While it's nice to pause and reflect on this victory we must keep in mind that the war against bad posting continues.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Rao Kappa
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#257 - 2012-02-29 08:49:56 UTC
Ladie Harlot,

Your avatar disturbs me.

It's like a rejected concept art sketch from that Beatles animated movie back in the 60s.
Mia Toqu
Chicks 'n Quafe
#258 - 2012-02-29 09:45:53 UTC
Rao Kappa wrote:
Ladie Harlot,

Your avatar disturbs me.

It's like a rejected concept art sketch from that Beatles animated movie back in the 60s.


lol!


i didnt like goons for all the hype they get, but now i see they actually well deserve it. (no i dont want to join -.-)

lesson: dont put yourself to shame for public entertainment. could as well shoot yourself in the foot and then bragg about it in the pub...

goons ftw. preserve the eve state of life!
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#259 - 2012-02-29 10:15:15 UTC
This can't be real, it boggles my mind paying any ISK to join a Corp, let alone Billions!? Why would you do that? Goons must be making this whole thing up for attention or OPer has some serious problems.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#260 - 2012-02-29 10:23:16 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:

Even if he can prove it it doesn't matter. Finding targets in the recruitment channel was never against the ToS.

The MOTD was in error.


Doesn't matter if the MOTD was in error.

As long as that MOTD was up it should have been treated as a directive from an authorized person from CCP and should have been acted upon asif it wasn't in error.
By going against the directive which was stated in the MOTD the transgressor willingly chose to go against ToS rule 6 and as such has broken a rule.

The only correct way would have been to petition said wrong notification and wait till it was removed from the MOTD. He chose an action however in contradiction to the rules he agreed upon.

The victim was under a false pretence of security due to this error. As such one can argue that he is also entitled to a full compensation by CCP for his losses because he was given a false sense of security by an inaccurate MOTD.




So if you joined that channel and, somehow the MoTD had been changed to "CCP Spacecorp Directive 117.32B: You must give all your assets and ISK to Malcanis immediately", then you would immediately give me all your stuff, pending further clarification or correction from CCP?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016