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Changes to wormhole mass limits ?

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Alex Sinai
Doomheim
#121 - 2012-02-24 22:44:29 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
You really have no idea what you're talking about. Without a certain amount of predictability w-space ceases to be viable for any fleet operations since noone is going to risk losing tens of billions of isk when half their fleet arrives at destination with no way to retreat because the WH collapsed due to premature randomness. Variances are huge and more frequent now.

And BTW, we've always had to deal with variance. Now, it's ridiculous. Not only are we getting delayed updates but holes are collapsing a lot sooner/later than they have in the past. Crappy state updates + ridiculous variance + frequency = b0rked!


Not only that. What they did with PI, sleepers loot and their effectiveness as adversaries. In addition to changes in ways you get links to anywhere in Empire space. In last two weeks we always hit either dead ends of C5 C6 C5 C6 very deep Null or getting very much active w-systems links. There was silent changes to how this works too probably.

All these changes affect not only large corps and fleet fights but also negate any usefulness of w-systems for smaller corps. It takes too much time to farm sites and find useful links to Empire space now. People lose interest in such gameplay where they waste a ton of their time for nothing. They don't go to Null sec. They unsubscribe.

Don't let them fly safe!

MisterArch
Red October.
Fanatic Legion.
#122 - 2012-02-25 09:22:42 UTC
Very funny. Just found a k162 from C5 to C6. Mass was shown as OK. Jumped in in a tengu - and the hole closed.
Wrote a petition to be moved back with a link to this topic. Waiting for reply.
MisterArch
Red October.
Fanatic Legion.
#123 - 2012-02-28 08:16:21 UTC
A predictable answer of the kind "our logs show nothing", as usual.
Kor Kilden
Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc.
#124 - 2012-02-28 21:08:38 UTC
MisterArch wrote:
Very funny. Just found a k162 from C5 to C6. Mass was shown as OK. Jumped in in a tengu - and the hole closed.
Wrote a petition to be moved back with a link to this topic. Waiting for reply.


So you went somewhere with a time limit and where someone else could lock you in, and based on your complaint I'm guessing you didn't have probes (probably no salvager either) and your scan alt didn't go in first? Sounds like a risk you were willing to take, whether people or the nature of the beast at hand got you.

Correct me if I'm wrong CCP but the rewards are high because the risk is high and any expectation of farming without risk is beyond the point.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#125 - 2012-02-29 00:16:30 UTC
Kor Kilden wrote:
MisterArch wrote:
Very funny. Just found a k162 from C5 to C6. Mass was shown as OK. Jumped in in a tengu - and the hole closed.
Wrote a petition to be moved back with a link to this topic. Waiting for reply.


So you went somewhere with a time limit and where someone else could lock you in, and based on your complaint I'm guessing you didn't have probes (probably no salvager either) and your scan alt didn't go in first? Sounds like a risk you were willing to take, whether people or the nature of the beast at hand got you.

Correct me if I'm wrong CCP but the rewards are high because the risk is high and any expectation of farming without risk is beyond the point.


No, it sounds like he jumped into a C6->C5 WH with a Tengu that was neither mass nor time critical. And the WH immediately collapsed. That would be a bug.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Farang Lo
Doomheim
#126 - 2012-02-29 02:06:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Farang Lo
Alex Sinai wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
You really have no idea what you're talking about. Without a certain amount of predictability w-space ceases to be viable for any fleet operations since noone is going to risk losing tens of billions of isk when half their fleet arrives at destination with no way to retreat because the WH collapsed due to premature randomness. Variances are huge and more frequent now.

And BTW, we've always had to deal with variance. Now, it's ridiculous. Not only are we getting delayed updates but holes are collapsing a lot sooner/later than they have in the past. Crappy state updates + ridiculous variance + frequency = b0rked!


Not only that. What they did with PI, sleepers loot and their effectiveness as adversaries. In addition to changes in ways you get links to anywhere in Empire space. In last two weeks we always hit either dead ends of C5 C6 C5 C6 very deep Null or getting very much active w-systems links. There was silent changes to how this works too probably.

All these changes affect not only large corps and fleet fights but also negate any usefulness of w-systems for smaller corps. It takes too much time to farm sites and find useful links to Empire space now. People lose interest in such gameplay where they waste a ton of their time for nothing. They don't go to Null sec. They unsubscribe.

empire is that way ----->
you dont have to scan or collapse anything there
Kor Kilden
Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc.
#127 - 2012-02-29 02:46:32 UTC
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Liang Nuren wrote:
Kor Kilden wrote:
MisterArch wrote:
Very funny. Just found a k162 from C5 to C6. Mass was shown as OK. Jumped in in a tengu - and the hole closed.
Wrote a petition to be moved back with a link to this topic. Waiting for reply.


So you went somewhere with a time limit and where someone else could lock you in, and based on your complaint I'm guessing you didn't have probes (probably no salvager either) and your scan alt didn't go in first? Sounds like a risk you were willing to take, whether people or the nature of the beast at hand got you.

Correct me if I'm wrong CCP but the rewards are high because the risk is high and any expectation of farming without risk is beyond the point.


No, it sounds like he jumped into a C6->C5 WH with a Tengu that was neither mass nor time critical. And the WH immediately collapsed. That would be a bug.

-Liang


I believe you misread me, I did not say "time critical", I said "time limit". Had he lost power or net connect, his hard drive crashed, someone closed the wormhole with a couple carriers, or bubbled it until it died, he had the potential to be in his current situation. He went in without a backup plan or a way out should there be a problem. This bug could have been mitigated to a mere inconvenience had he been prepared.

I am not saying there is no bug here,CCP, please make sure your official guides match the game as this one appears broken.

What I am saying is most of the posters are complacent, able to make a home they control access to and intel within with sufficient forces that no one should be able to take it from them, then want large profit margins to support the people needed to secure what is billed as chaos.
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#128 - 2012-03-01 03:46:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Messoroz
I now have evidence that wormholes are currently bugged.


Corpmate reported wormhole just collasped on him so I went and checked. (he was in a cov ops).

http://i.imgur.com/2NQke.jpg <-- wormhole show info shows perfect health.
http://i.imgur.com/I2QJY.jpg <--- attempting to jump gives an error popup.

This is beginning to become a nasty bug. It could be the wormhole was EOL or something but there is some sort of desync and it's not propagating to the clients properly. (with the UI changes I don't doubt it).

Bug report submitted as #129005.


I wonder if the hilarious static spawning exploit still works because the wormhole remains after collapse?