Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Fear

Because everything you can get in null sec, you can get in high sec with considerably less effort.

Not that I'm one of the "buff null sec" crowd, to be honest it isn't really dangerous enough to warrant it. I'd be happy with vanguards getting a little tweak, null sec (mostly sov null sec) being made considerably more dangerous and then they can talk about buffing it.


Only if you're doing it wrong

I'm not sure I agree with that. You can't get moon goo in high sec. I can make a LOT more isk in null sec than high sec without as much effort if in relatively uncontested sov systems. ABC ores.

Fact is, null sec is more rewarding and more dangerous. I won't debate whether either is enough or whether it's balanced but if you want to go there you have to have a corp big enough in a big enough alliance to take space off someone and deal with when they bring in their friends and/or mercs which basically removes small corps from the equation unless you're prepared to pay for the privilege.

Also, you're corp/alliance needs to have a sizable pvp wing and have most if not all players capable and willing to do pvp. Some people play this game as though it wasn't a pvp game. To do that you need to remain firmly entrenched in high sec.

Horses for courses.

This.

Also I have this perception that nullsec is for hardcores and hardcores keep carebears like me in deep contempt, while I'm not too keen to look for friends between people who despise me.

Nah, I'm a giant care bear too and I live in null There is such a thing as hard core carebearing you know

Not a fan of FPS and buffering the lanes of a bowling alley.

OMG! Dude on grid! SHOOT IT NAO! from a guy with high scan res cause its shoot first, whine later there is nothing in lowsec/nullsec (duh, I wonder why nobody goes there ? )

While flying through choke points where you can't possible avoid a gate camp unless you fly way the **** out of your way or fit a cloaking device (but I gave up long ago trying, cause I don't belive it works except when they scream and whine to nerf it)

Give me a better way to avoid people (like instead of choke point pipes, systems have at least 12 neighboring jump gates to defend making it damn impossible camp) or people bother to play any other game style but CoD clowns expecting their xEVE or EVELive score to be better then some other assclown on this ******* mudball (really, you expect to have an impressive game score to gloat about? So, if it is so special to you then I am all for leaving SD and Titan guns as is just to frustrate the hell out of you guys)

Most of my corpmates came back from nullsec. I hear pretty much the same thing from all of them: it stopped being fun.

for me, the biggest barrier was a fear of low/null instilled by my first corp, which told me that it was dangerous and i was guaranteed to lose billions on my first excursion. I have since discovered this is crap.

Fear? I am sure some could be seen that way. More likely a sense of fear of the unknown, where they feel unable to connect with the required groups to get into null. Fully perception based, but not always wrong.

Statistically a bad gamble? Yes, perception that people will be ganked on a regular basis can exist. Fully perception based, but not as bad as they think it is. A few choke points give the entire region a sense of this, if you cannot get past them.

Don't fly it if you can't afford to lose it? Most likely a lot avoid it for this reason, simply not able to play enough to generate enough ISK to fly ships they consider worth the effort. PvE mentality implies the best ship for the job is the only ship to bother with.

It always comes down to perception.

And crafting the perception that null or low is more desirable is the solution.

For why there aren't alot of people generally floating around in nullsec, I suspect that being ripped limb from limb by hostile gatecamps seconds after jumping into the first nullsec system of any pipe is a major cause. It's likely happened to more people than it hasn't. (I don't know about you guys but the only times I haven't been ripped apart by gatecamps, is when I was jumping in as one of the camping force. At least in the first systems.)

It boils down to "If you're not one of us, you're already dead" because the alliances out there seem kind of paranoid. And by 'kind of' I mean 'Would kill their mother, their father, and all of their extended family on suspicion of them being Russian/whatever-group-of-players-in-null-you-don't-like spies'.

Not to mention, what little aspects of gameplay there are in null at the moment, these alliances generally have an iron grip over, so if there's any place that doesn't have much player influence it's probably devoid of anything useful anyways. It's hardly an expansive and lawless frontier anymore. It has edges. And if you're not part of any of the 'elite' who have built themselves fortresses in the dark, you're not welcome, except really as target practice. Even then, again, you're usually dead on the first gate unless you're in a cloaky, interdiction nullified T3 or a ceptor or something and the campers are drunk.

Sometime's it's also kind of hard to keep up with "CTA CTA CTA GET YOUR (ship that you don't want to fly but absolutely have to for fleet doctrine) OUT AND GET TO (staging system two constellations over)". If you're not in the right group this is just painful, really.

Have I mentioned that being in an alliance is more or less having a second/third job sometimes? Yeah, that's probably it. At times it can be ok, but at others it's just not what you need.