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Tigers
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-09-15 11:22:57 UTC
This may be put silly but, how much does a small POS with a hanger array, shield and gun cost to maintain?
Greygal
Redemption Road
Affirmative.
#2 - 2011-09-15 11:30:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Greygal
It depends upon what you hang and what is online.

The one small pos my corp owns runs us about 125-150 million a month in fuel - its only used for bpo research and copying and doesn't even remotely cover its costs. Our large pos's run around 300 million a month in fuel, are used for multiple things, and more than cover their costs in fuel a month.

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Usurpine
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2011-09-15 11:32:11 UTC
http://www.eve-guides.com/poss/index.php

I dont know exact numbers, roughly 20 mil / month i am guessing. Take a look at a pos and check its fuel requirements, then check your local market about the costs and add all these numbers, also count in you need some more fuel for your onlined stuff on your pos, which also takes fuel if its onlined.
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-09-15 16:21:11 UTC
Confirming Greygal's statement - it will be somewhere over 100 million - depends on the exact POS type and the stuff you hang on it.

20 million / month is ... not even close I'm afraid Usurpine.
Mikal Red
Vanguard Research
#5 - 2011-09-16 12:31:39 UTC
Try this site
http://eve-online.itemdrop.net/eve_db/calculator/pos_fuel/

Can calculate for you/give you a rough idea. If I remember rightly EVEHQ also can work it out for you and allows you to "build" an example setup to get more accurate costings based on your Power/CPU usage.

HTH
Usurpine
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-09-20 13:22:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Usurpine
Cyniac wrote:
Confirming Greygal's statement - it will be somewhere over 100 million - depends on the exact POS type and the stuff you hang on it.

20 million / month is ... not even close I'm afraid Usurpine.

Just put in the numbers of the link above:

11062800 ISK for 30 days for a small gallente tower, isn´t that correct ?
I put in numbers for the tower only. Also if he has his pos in high sec, there is no need to online weapons and you can switch on and of the buildings when you are not using them, so your fuel consume is reduced.
DeBingJos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-09-20 13:31:41 UTC
Usurpine wrote:
Cyniac wrote:
Confirming Greygal's statement - it will be somewhere over 100 million - depends on the exact POS type and the stuff you hang on it.

20 million / month is ... not even close I'm afraid Usurpine.

Just put in the numbers of the link above:

11062800 ISK for 30 days for a small gallente tower, isn´t that correct ?
I put in numbers for the tower only. Also if he has his pos in high sec, there is no need to online weapons and you can switch on and of the buildings when you are not using them, so your fuel consume is reduced.


Its been a couple of months since I've run a pos, but the fuel prices haven't changed that much.

Our small research pos costed a little more than 100 mil/month, I don't know where Usurpine gets his (low) values.

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Usurpine
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2011-09-20 13:54:57 UTC
you are right, i dont have a clue what the actual prices are , i just used this tool from this link above. So better add the numbers and use the real market prices.
Me personal i use my own fuel made from PI and i mine my own isotopes from an ice belt nearby, thats why i dont know how much my tower really cost. Sorry when my guess is totally wrong.
Mikal Red
Vanguard Research
#9 - 2011-09-20 15:40:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Mikal Red
A large tower (Caldari) with nothing on it will cost you around 250m for 4 weeks of fuel at the moment according to my EVEHQ (and market data from yesterday).

Small one is in the region of 60m/2 weeks (smaller fuel bay). Both numbers include the starbase charters that are needed.

Neither prices include stront (which, even in HS, you should add. Just in case)
Lexia Stone
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-09-20 21:11:58 UTC
Here's how to calculate how much fuel is used and how much it will cost for 30 days.

1 fuel cycle = 1 hour
720 hours = 30 days

So the formula you want is:

(720 x amount per cycle) x price per unit of fuel

Let's use robotics as an example as all towers will only use 1 robotics per cycle. I believe current prices in Jita are 52,000-53,000 isk each but I'll just use 50,000 to keep it simple.

(720 x 1) x 50,000 = 36,000,000 (36 mil) per 30 days

Now just go down the list of fuel requirements in the tower information window and use the formula to calculate how much fuel you will need and what it will cost. Just add up the totals for each fuel type and you'll have a pretty good idea what it will cost. PG and CPU fuels (liquid oxygen and heavy water) must be calculated after you have everything onlined, but the same formula can be used. Just use the information in the fuel tab of your pos management window.
Proffessor Drake
Astroforge Industries
#11 - 2011-09-21 14:38:18 UTC
Right now my small faction tower looks like this

Fuel Qty/Hr Cost/Week Qty/Wk Qty/Mnth
Enriched Uranium 2 $2,354,535.68 336 1,344
Mechanical Parts 3 $3,528,350.78 504 2,016
Oxygen 7 $206,867.81 1,176 4,704
Robotics 1 $8,008,058.91 168 672
Coolant 4 $4,814,598.21 672 2,688
Nitrogen Isotopes 169 $13,419,762.72 28,392 113,568
Heavy Water 44 $172,233.60 7,392 29,568
Liquid Ozone 36 $1,806,448.90 6,048 24,192

Total $34,310,856.61

i appreciate it uses 10% less fuel, but your still looking at 35-40 mil per week, so 140-160 per month
Proffessor Drake
Astroforge Industries
#12 - 2011-09-21 14:39:39 UTC
Proffessor Drake wrote:
Right now my small faction tower looks like this

Fuel Qty/Hr Cost/Week Qty/Wk Qty/Mnth
Enriched Uranium 2 $2,354,535.68 336 1,344
Mechanical Parts 3 $3,528,350.78 504 2,016
Oxygen 7 $206,867.81 1,176 4,704
Robotics 1 $8,008,058.91 168 672
Coolant 4 $4,814,598.21 672 2,688
Nitrogen Isotopes 169 $13,419,762.72 28,392 113,568
Heavy Water 44 $172,233.60 7,392 29,568
Liquid Ozone 36 $1,806,448.90 6,048 24,192

Total $34,310,856.61

i appreciate it uses 10% less fuel, but your still looking at 35-40 mil per week, so 140-160 per month



CCP sort out yor tab spacing...FFS
Lando Tarsadan
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-09-23 12:51:32 UTC
my caldari medium (almost full CPU loaded) cost me at todays prices 168.5 Mil pr 30 days my large (fully CPU loaded) cost me 293,5 Mil pr 30 days. Dont have a small anymore but when i was running one it was about 40-45 mil cheaper than my medium tower (all caldari in lowsec)
beor oranes
Tranquility Tavern
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2011-09-24 00:22:22 UTC
With the prices of faction towers last time I looked, unless you are going to have them up for a long time its not worth the fuel saving.

I bought my large a few years ago and the price was a lot cheaper then, now I wouldn't even bother with faction towers as the price was just too high when I looked to get a second DG large.

Prices change a lot, since PI was introduced it has gone up from my memory. You can lower your costs by doing some PI or mining ice. If you are not already doing PI then its worth doing with the planets you have in the system you are in. You might only get Oxygen or Coolant but every little helps.