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Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#121 - 2012-02-28 02:04:11 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:

The chair of the CSM 6 has repeatedly stated he only represents his constituency and has no interest in representing all of Eve.




If that's true then he was not the right person for the position.

CSMs should work seperate from the game but focused on the game and the players. CSMs should not be an extension of the game.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#122 - 2012-02-28 02:04:24 UTC
The only surprising thing about this is that there are literally more people in Eve who care about space pants than people who care about mining.

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#123 - 2012-02-28 02:05:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Ladie Harlot
Sasha Azala wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

The chair of the CSM 6 has repeatedly stated he only represents his constituency and has no interest in representing all of Eve.




If that's true then he was not the right person for the position.

CSMs should work seperate from the game but focused on the game and the players. CSMs should not be an extension of the game.


Name a single thing that the chair of CSM6 did (in his role as chairman) that was bad for people who didn't vote for him. Just one.

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Willard Mitt Romney
Doomheim
#124 - 2012-02-28 02:08:06 UTC
+1 for the title of the thread alone
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#125 - 2012-02-28 02:12:31 UTC
Sasha Azala wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

The chair of the CSM 6 has repeatedly stated he only represents his constituency and has no interest in representing all of Eve.




If that's true then he was not the right person for the position.

CSMs should work seperate from the game but focused on the game and the players. CSMs should not be an extension of the game.


I agree and many folks have shared your position about the CSM 6 chair.

Issler
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#126 - 2012-02-28 02:17:16 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
many folks


Considering your idea of a million miner march consisted of 14 people, your perception of how many people are mad at The Mittani is suspect.

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Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#127 - 2012-02-28 02:19:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Sasha Azala
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Sasha Azala wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

The chair of the CSM 6 has repeatedly stated he only represents his constituency and has no interest in representing all of Eve.




If that's true then he was not the right person for the position.

CSMs should work seperate from the game but focused on the game and the players. CSMs should not be an extension of the game.


Name a single thing that the chair of CSM6 did that was bad for people who didn't vote for him. Just one.






Looking after a section of the game does not necessarily benefit the game as a whole. Especially when the CSMs probably don't have equal say and not all areas will be represented under that mannar of leadership.

So I can see Issler's concerns regarding will mining have an equal say if a say at all, if The Chair has no interest in representing all players and the game as a whole.

The whole game should be looked at, not just piece parts.
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#128 - 2012-02-28 02:28:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Sasha Azala
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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#129 - 2012-02-28 03:01:12 UTC
Sasha Azala wrote:
Looking after a section of the game does not necessarily benefit the game as a whole. Especially when the CSMs probably don't have equal say and not all areas will be represented under that mannar of leadership.

So I can see Issler's concerns regarding will mining have an equal say if a say at all, if The Chair has no interest in representing all players and the game as a whole.

The whole game should be looked at, not just piece parts.


See you're so focused on the chairman that you failed to realize that CSM6 has a high sec rep, a wormhole rep and a low sec rep. Go ask them if their ideas were ignored. Don't believe crazy people on the forums who think CCP should ignore space content for more fashion options.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#130 - 2012-02-28 06:15:43 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
i would not wish to interfere with your parade of five people in velators showing ccp just how much organization miners have


I believe it was two bantams, a navitas, a tormentor, and a burst. No rookie ships were present.

Oh yeah, and there was one retriever.

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Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
#131 - 2012-02-28 06:25:42 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
i would not wish to interfere with your parade of five people in velators showing ccp just how much organization miners have


I believe it was two bantams, a navitas, a tormentor, and a burst. No rookie ships were present.

Oh yeah, and there was one retriever.


There was an ibis, but it was orbiting the station at 100. I'm not sure if it was involved.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#132 - 2012-02-28 06:33:28 UTC
Sasha Azala wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

The chair of the CSM 6 has repeatedly stated he only represents his constituency and has no interest in representing all of Eve.




If that's true then he was not the right person for the position.

CSMs should work seperate from the game but focused on the game and the players. CSMs should not be an extension of the game.


It's not true. Nothing against you Issler, but The Mittani has stated and ranted many times about why he supports the whole of EVE and not just his voterbase or fellow Goons, and he backs this up with examples, excerpts, anecdotes, and by explaining theoretical situations, going very in-depth in a rather genius manner to describe his vision in a way that a layperson can understand it clearly. Reading his stuff makes me feel intelligent, valuable, and hopeful; and best of all when it's all said and done he can enjoy the same carnal delights the rest of us do, without letting it impede him or anyone he represents (the whole of the EVE playerbase) in the slightest.

Given the opportunity at the moment, I would vote for The Mittani even with mining as my top priority (it's on the list, but not at the top). Mittens has even made a forum post about why he is the miner's friend, and that's a lot more than I expected. To see him go out of his way to create a whole thread and rant about mining specifically gives me hope that it's on his platter of things that need to be looked at. He brought us great things in CSM 6 (way better than any CSM has done in the past) so I have a good feeling about CSM 7 and I think he'll take the chair again in a landslide vote.

I know it can be hard to do this, but if you really want what's best for miners, in fact even if you just want the best chance of even one good mining update/fix, you should put some effort into supporting The Mittani, rather than try to compete with him.

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#133 - 2012-02-28 19:33:20 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Sasha Azala wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

The chair of the CSM 6 has repeatedly stated he only represents his constituency and has no interest in representing all of Eve.




If that's true then he was not the right person for the position.

CSMs should work seperate from the game but focused on the game and the players. CSMs should not be an extension of the game.


It's not true. Nothing against you Issler, but The Mittani has stated and ranted many times about why he supports the whole of EVE and not just his voterbase or fellow Goons, and he backs this up with examples, excerpts, anecdotes, and by explaining theoretical situations, going very in-depth in a rather genius manner to describe his vision in a way that a layperson can understand it clearly. Reading his stuff makes me feel intelligent, valuable, and hopeful; and best of all when it's all said and done he can enjoy the same carnal delights the rest of us do, without letting it impede him or anyone he represents (the whole of the EVE playerbase) in the slightest.

Given the opportunity at the moment, I would vote for The Mittani even with mining as my top priority (it's on the list, but not at the top). Mittens has even made a forum post about why he is the miner's friend, and that's a lot more than I expected. To see him go out of his way to create a whole thread and rant about mining specifically gives me hope that it's on his platter of things that need to be looked at. He brought us great things in CSM 6 (way better than any CSM has done in the past) so I have a good feeling about CSM 7 and I think he'll take the chair again in a landslide vote.

I know it can be hard to do this, but if you really want what's best for miners, in fact even if you just want the best chance of even one good mining update/fix, you should put some effort into supporting The Mittani, rather than try to compete with him.


He has posted directly in Jita park he is not representing all of Eve, just his constituents.

Keep drinking mitten's koolaide, I think he makes it with miner's tears.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#134 - 2012-02-28 19:59:31 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
He has posted directly in Jita park he is not representing all of Eve, just his constituents.


So what? Everything he's done as chairman has benefited the entire playerbase whether they voted for him or not. You're so hung up on what Mittens said that you're unable to see what he actually did.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#135 - 2012-02-29 02:43:03 UTC
There aren't even a million miners in game.

You know, if you want something done, you could always be reasonable, and lobby with the CSM and bring up your concerns by sending them reasonable, polite messages with a list of things that you would like to be done, setting a reasonable time frame.

You don't go screaming at nothing that there is a problem and expect a solution.

You propose to someone in a position to do something what the problem is, and what possible solutions there are. That is how things work best. But then again, I wouldn't expect a bunch of rock-for-brained miners to get that.

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Eso Es
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#136 - 2012-02-29 04:51:32 UTC
Wait, I didn't know bots could protest?!?!? What are you guys gonna do, assemble in Rens then go AFK? Big smile
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#137 - 2012-02-29 05:11:48 UTC
Go train gunnery...

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Mikalia Sunstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#138 - 2012-03-03 13:37:26 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
if only i had more space honor, to go with my forum honor


That's "honour," actuallyBear

Pardon me, but I'm Caldari: What's "armour?"
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#139 - 2012-03-03 13:45:17 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
He has posted directly in Jita park he is not representing all of Eve, just his constituents.


So what? Everything he's done as chairman has benefited the entire playerbase whether they voted for him or not. You're so hung up on what Mittens said that you're unable to see what he actually did.


Dont get me wrong, i like your propaganda materials..

But what he done in manner of EVE development is probably different league.. What he made possible in game is different ball-park.
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#140 - 2012-03-03 14:06:08 UTC
Sasha Azala wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

The chair of the CSM 6 has repeatedly stated he only represents his constituency and has no interest in representing all of Eve.




If that's true then he was not the right person for the position.


Fortunately, it's not. Issler Dainze is just a pubbie with an agenda. And a bit thick.

Mittani is (or at least, was) a miner when he started the game, and has distinctly said that the CSM6 has been working on getting CCP to kill off the drone pieces that made mining completely obsolete. That single change would completely revamp mining as a profession, making it useful again.

Hell, the Goonswarm anti-Ice bot campaign singlehandedly helped restore sanity to that sector of space, helping fix the ice economy that was so horrifically devastated by bots mining ice 23x7.