Ships & Modules

What jump planner are you using? That should give you the answer you are looking for. I personally like this planner:

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/jump

Edit - upon further reading, I don't know whether you can jump while still under gate cloak. Even if you can't, surely you can jump very quickly if the cyno is already in place, broadcasted, and in range. Hell, it's only a 4 billion ISK hull. What's the worst that can happen?

Ahh yes this was a consideration for me too. If you can get someone else to scout the gate... and they are SURE it is clear, i don't see any problems. You would have to break cloak to jump though so the cyno must be ready to jump to as you go thru the gate.

Fail to see the problem with this, as soon as you break cloak you can jump. No scumbag here, just trying to save a buck.

When you fly an actually 6.5B isk ship and get yourself new illnesses because you might spend 1M +/-, you're doing it wrong.

I've done this many times, and its far less about saving a million ISK than it is about simplifying my jump infrastructure. Stop being so fail and so pussy.

-Liang

Bullshit.

Up to 2.5km (if you're lucky).

This is a VERY bad idea.. Your odds of landing in jump range of the gate are low and if you do land in jump range of the gate, your odds of bouncing are very high. Plus you have a beacon acting as a lovely "*** gank me NOW!" flag on overview for everyone to see.

Generally, the tactic is an excellent way to get your friend/amigo/corpmate killed if they've completely pissed you off.

When you're reguralry jumping bilions worth of cargo several times a week, saving 10-20 minutes of getting cynos moved to another system past possible hostile camps every time is worth risking the negligible chance that your scout disconnects and somoene jumps to the system and he is in point range and he also has a point and your connection drops and you get a lag spike and someone kills your cyno and and and... all precisely in the same 0.5 seconds it takes you to double-click in space and say "jump".

If it works for you, great. But don't pretend it isn't dangerous. It would help the OP to explain how you do it, rather than insulting the more cautious among us.

There is no reason to be ashamed of mitigating risk. Black Frog has delivered more than five thousand packages and poor connections, graphics card spaz outs, alt tab glitches, router issues, ganked cynos, lagged grid loads, and variations on those have all happened to our pilots, some of them quite often (client freezes are a constant threat).

Can jumping into losec and out to a cyno be done? Sure. Will you get away with it this particular time? Probably. Could any one of those issues strike on any particular jump? Yes. The only question here is how much and how often you want to gamble your JF on something outside of your control.

OP--If you enjoy the adrenaline rush, by all means go for it. Just understand what you're getting into and the nature of the risks involved. If you're jumping to a system where you have sov and/or you have friends to help you, you can certainly reduce the danger of ganked cynos. If you have support in your losec start system, even better. If you're solo, have no support on either end, and you jump a gate through into losec, you'll have a long way back to the gate. You can warp to a celestial, but your warp speed is so low that pretty much any PvP ship could beat you to your destination. If you have a deep safe BM, you can warp to it and back to the gate, but you'll be aligning 180 degress and you'll be vulnerable while you do it (you can improve your odds with nomad implants and max skills). JFs are huge and scanning you down is easy. You can warp to a station if there is one, but then, why not cyno to it in the first place? Other than a love of risk taking, I can't imagine why I would want to jump the losec gate from hisec rather than cynoing in to the station from the same hisec system. The cost of fuel for a one system jump is negligible. Session change timers are down to 15 secs, so you'll spend less than a minute in system even if you dock up to replenish your cap.


We've moved tens of billions worth of cargo every day for the past year. We've solved the problem of having to pilot cyno ships all over the place, so its of little concern to us. Given the number of jumps we make, the risk is not negligible. At high volume, statistics catch up with you. As I mentioned before, we've had pilots experience each and every one of these issues.