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A Hamrite Journey (formerly: Amarr for the Glory of God)
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Khazarn Areth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2012-02-27 15:03:03 UTC
The Loyalist Amarr derive their culture from fear, fear bound in holy writ, fear of anything different, anything which questions them even in the slightest, this is clearly evident in the lunatic ramblings on Mr Cresthill across the IGS.

The Amarr Empire is a backward culture that has failed to move with history and in doing so will be condemed to fire and ash untill nothing remains.

Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood

Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#42 - 2012-02-27 15:37:42 UTC
Khazarn Areth wrote:
The Loyalist Amarr derive their culture from fear, fear bound in holy writ, fear of anything different, anything which questions them even in the slightest, this is clearly evident in the lunatic ramblings on Mr Cresthill across the IGS.

The Amarr Empire is a backward culture that has failed to move with history and in doing so will be condemed to fire and ash untill nothing remains.


Wow, do I hear the sounds of hypocrisy and irony ringing from the bloody throat of Omir's disciple? The culture of Amarr is based not on fear but on love; love for God and love for all His wayward ones. It is you who ramble on in your blood crazed depravity Khazarn. When you are done gargling the blood of the innocent, come to your right mind and return to God.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Khazarn Areth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2012-02-27 15:44:30 UTC
No Mr Cresthill you hear the ever encroaching sound of your empires demise as Omir's chosen bleed it slowly from the outside and rail at its foundations from within.

Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood

Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#44 - 2012-02-27 15:47:02 UTC
Khazarn Areth wrote:
No Mr Cresthill you hear the ever encroaching sound of your empires demise as Omir's chosen bleed it slowly from the outside and rail at its foundations from within.


Hmm, do I hear the bloody voice of a deranged, egotistical, self-deified megalomaniac? Yep.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#45 - 2012-02-27 17:31:08 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Astera forms her opinions of good and bad from watching holo-vids. Hmm...
And you form misinformed and wholly inaccurate opinions of others based on posts intended to be jokes.

Theobar Cresthill wrote:
One of the hallmark dividing lines between Amarr culture and the devolving civilization of Gallente is illustrated by the quote above. Amarr derives value from Scripture, obedience to God, serving humanity, seeking to redeem all, self-denial and unselfishness.
The ability to crack a joke (and presumably take one) being a "hallmark dividing line" between Amarrian culture and others does explain quite a lot.

Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Gallentean culture, if you can call it culture, derives its values from holo-vids. Its self-indulgence, hedonism, careless views of personal liberty, godlessness, etc., are the characteristics of an entertainment based society. Gallente will eventually rot at its own roots from its own moral decay.
Just because the entertainment industry is one of the Federation's most visible facets does not make it the source of values for those who were raised or live there.

You most certainly can call it culture, and no, it does not derive its values from holovids. It is the other way around: the holos are derived from the values; they present those values in many forms that include, mockeries and parodies, but also affirmations of those values.

It depends on what you watch, and who created the holo in question. Given your complete ignorance about Federation culture, I think it's safe to assume that you're only watching the holos you're not supposed to take too seriously. Or, more likely, you've not actually tried looking at any of this yourself, and are talking out of your ass.

And before you think of accusing me of hypocrisy, keep in mind I've lived in the Empire - or rather, more specifically, the Kingdom - for over a year now. I do have a rather solid grasp on how things work.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#46 - 2012-02-27 18:28:18 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
And before you think of accusing me of hypocrisy, .

Morwen Lagann is an hypocrite.Cool

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#47 - 2012-02-27 18:30:56 UTC
Blanket, broad caricatures, everywhere.

It sounds so irrational.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#48 - 2012-02-27 18:35:52 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Morwen Lagann wrote:
And before you think of accusing me of hypocrisy, .

Morwen Lagann is an hypocrite.Cool


Wow, you tried to make a joke, albeit one that wasn't particularly funny and more childish than anything else.

I guess Amarrian and Federation culture aren't that different at all.

Or maybe you're just a deviant and a heretic for straying from the path of Humorlessness that the Scriptures try to enforce so rigidly.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#49 - 2012-02-27 18:55:15 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
That you take pride in killing betrays your lack of righteousness.



Well said.

But, then again, underneath the definition of hypocrite in the dictionary is an Amarrian.
Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
#50 - 2012-02-27 19:10:41 UTC
This is an amusing read. I wonder if it has occurred to any of you that Mr. Cresthill just likes to argue and get under your skin and that you are all providing all the attention and fodder he wants. Just a thought.

Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can.
Astera Zandraki
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2012-02-27 19:20:20 UTC
Firstly, Mr. Cresthill, it's Ms Zandraki, to you.

Secondly, I can find swathes of Amarrian history which are so morally bankrupt that I would wager the average criminal or gangbanger has a stronger moral integrity, if only because they are loyal to their organisation and ideology.

I'll just point to one well known period of Amarrian history for this argument, it's all I need; The genocide committed against the Starkmanir tribe.

This one act of betrayal puts paid to the entire ideology of reclaiming. The people immolated on that planet had by all Amarrian standards not yet been 'saved' and were therefore destined to (according to Amarrian ideology) get on a one way trip to your hell, especially as they revolted against their captors. The Empire failed in it's objectives, it failed (according to it's own ideology) the people it murdered and, frankly, no amount of apologising or 'penance' will make up for that act.

Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#52 - 2012-02-27 19:27:26 UTC
Astera Zandraki wrote:
This one act of betrayal puts paid to the entire ideology of reclaiming.

Strawman fallacy, Miss Zandraki


"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Astera Zandraki
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-02-27 19:30:33 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:

Strawman fallacy, Miss Zandraki




That's all you have to say about the death of I don't know how many million people? Wow, you're not just a bigot, you're a moronic bigot. Do the cluster a favour and meet your God asap hmkay?
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#54 - 2012-02-27 19:44:48 UTC
Astera Zandraki wrote:
you're a moronic bigot.


Angry, ironic, Strawman Fallacy, Miss Zandraki

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#55 - 2012-02-27 20:24:03 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:

Because I don't have an answer to your point, I'm going to just act like a child and accuse you of various logical fallacies instead of trying to refute your argument or try to help you understand my point better, Miss Zandraki


Fixed that for you, and clarified for the rest of us.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#56 - 2012-02-27 20:25:33 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Theobar Cresthill wrote:

Because I don't have an answer to your point, I'm going to just act like a child and accuse you of various logical fallacies instead of trying to refute your argument or try to help you understand my point better, Miss Zandraki


Fixed that for you, and clarified for the rest of us.


You're funny, Miss Lagann

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#57 - 2012-02-27 20:29:48 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
I am finally beginning to see the truth in what Mr. Cresthill is saying. I may even consider becoming part of the Cresthill estate so I too may experience true enlightenment.


I am very glad to hear that Miss Lagann

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#58 - 2012-02-27 20:44:47 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Morwen Lagann wrote:
I am finally beginning to see the truth in what Mr. Cresthill is saying. I may even consider becoming part of the Cresthill estate so I too may experience true enlightenment.


I am very glad to hear that Miss Lagann


I'll thank you not to make advances on Ms Lagann. Isn't coveting that which belongs to someone else a sin? I know she's cute but really, get your own Intaki.

...no, seriously. Getting laid would do you some good and be a relief to the rest of us, it might get you to shut up and let the rest of us have a reasonable debate for a while.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#59 - 2012-02-27 20:46:00 UTC
Astera Zandraki wrote:


That's all you have to say about the death of I don't know how many million people? Wow, you're not just a bigot, you're a moronic bigot. Do the cluster a favour and meet your God asap hmkay?


That's hardly the most constructive contribution to the discussion, now is it?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#60 - 2012-02-27 20:56:31 UTC
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
...no, seriously. Getting laid would do you some good and be a relief to the rest of us, it might get you to shut up and let the rest of us have a reasonable debate for a while.


Are you...um...? O nevermind.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)