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Don't dissapoint the DUST players!
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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-02-26 09:51:47 UTC
Give us those orbital bombardment ship blueprints and skillbooks now so we can be prepared to deliver! Bear

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Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-02-26 10:49:12 UTC
I thought that the orbital bombardment ships were going to be sieged dreads. And if thats the case I'd get one of those if I were you.

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Serene Repose
#3 - 2012-02-26 11:04:50 UTC
I thought...IF....you'd better...
Do you play poker?

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
#4 - 2012-02-26 11:11:57 UTC
Gerrick Palivorn wrote:
I thought that the orbital bombardment ships were going to be sieged dreads. And if thats the case I'd get one of those if I were you.

Doesn't mean there won't be a new 'planetary bombardment' skill.

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Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-02-26 11:16:13 UTC
Does this mean there will actually be orbital bombardment?...

Uhhh, nevermind. Guess I can't hold all the big alliance planets for ransom.

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testobjekt
Goonswarm Federation Human Resources
#6 - 2012-02-26 11:19:28 UTC
Yes you will be able to kill them with impunity ....

Guys be realistic, it looks cool in the trailers but THATS IT. There is noway in hell they will let us bomb them, because the avarege eveplayer would take incredible delight in bombing every last one of them unitl they quit the game.

How does this sales pitch sound to you:

Please play our console game, where you will die after a few seconds at the Hand of PC players who are untouchable for you and will just kill you again and again and again.

Yeah right, not gonna happen.

Another tidbit for you: The technic was already explained, there will be geolocated dust gameserver, who download the information from the eve-cluster before the start of the game and report the result back to the Cluster once the match has concluded
Raiz Nhell
PeregrineXII
#7 - 2012-02-26 11:26:46 UTC
Yeah... 1400mm shells raining from orbit seems a bit unfair...
PI isn't about sucking resources it's about raining shrapnel...

So yeah... Not going to happen...

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-02-26 11:38:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Degren
testobjekt wrote:
Another tidbit for you: The technic was already explained, there will be geolocated dust gameserver, who download the information from the eve-cluster before the start of the game and report the result back to the Cluster once the match has concluded


Oh good, ransom back on.

Alliances: 30 bil up front and I will *never* attack your planets.

Not a terribly large cost considering the number of planets!

200 bil and my friends and I will be one of your mercenary corps for one year. You want that

Harrrr

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"Probably give it away in events, I'm a pretty nice dude"

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TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#9 - 2012-02-26 11:41:17 UTC
A good idea would be a pre-emptive bombardment before the actual battle started. Fortifications and emplacements which the mercs could use being destroyed before the battle, much like in the first world war. Strength of the emplacement VS Calibre of the gun could decide how much damage is done. Something like that, anyway.

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Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
#10 - 2012-02-26 11:44:31 UTC
Raiz Nhell wrote:
Yeah... 1400mm shells raining from orbit seems a bit unfair...
PI isn't about sucking resources it's about raining shrapnel...

So yeah... Not going to happen...

Well, considering Dust ops will take place on contested planets, it kinda makes sense for both the attackers and defenders to gain air(space) superiority to prevent their dust bunnies from getting glassed, therefore only once any side actually has cleared the field will any meaningfull bombardment take place.

Then there is the issue that there is some VERY expensive infrastructure (eg, space elevator) down there that will be destroyed if they do just nuke it, oh and the dust bunnies can shoot back.

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Xervish Krin
Intaki Fine Stationery Solutions
#11 - 2012-02-26 12:01:27 UTC
From what's in Templar One, it looks like ships are pretty vulnerable to planetside launchers and other ships while in a position for orbital bombardment. So hopefully that'll translate into game mechanics.
Danfen Fenix
#12 - 2012-02-26 12:02:28 UTC
testobjekt wrote:
Yes you will be able to kill them with impunity ....

Guys be realistic, it looks cool in the trailers but THATS IT. There is noway in hell they will let us bomb them, because the avarege eveplayer would take incredible delight in bombing every last one of them unitl they quit the game.

How does this sales pitch sound to you:

Please play our console game, where you will die after a few seconds at the Hand of PC players who are untouchable for you and will just kill you again and again and again.

Yeah right, not gonna happen.

Another tidbit for you: The technic was already explained, there will be geolocated dust gameserver, who download the information from the eve-cluster before the start of the game and report the result back to the Cluster once the match has concluded


Of course, despite the fact that CCP have stated that it will be possible...possibly only in the form of dread's with a special module (and speculated to require the dread to be in siege mode P )
Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#13 - 2012-02-26 12:42:21 UTC
I've long suspected that the removal of the titan AOD was in fact a preemptive move to make sure that PL or any other Titan heavy alliance did not spend it's free time glassing Dust players off of planets like fumigators removing roach infestations.
Abyss Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-02-26 13:32:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Abyss Azizora
This was covered somewhere already, I don't have a source atm, but as I recall it worked like this...

Dreads can do orbital bombardments in real-time on Dust players, however it requires a DUST commander to signify where a dread can bombard. the planet. Basically it's a player fired version of the ion-cannon in RTS games.

Similarly, DUST players can fire back at eve players through ground based installments that are captured. So the pain goes both ways.

That's all I know, and as I recall, none of that was set in stone yet. (Beyond the basics)

(This is all very easy to implement, Dread fires at planet -> Eve server sends fire request to DUST server -> Dust commander's targeted location has a beam of death rain down from above. And vice versa)
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#15 - 2012-02-26 13:48:41 UTC
Console players are sub-human swine, why should they get anything?

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-02-26 15:08:42 UTC
Im all for orbital bombardment skill books and a planetary bombing ship .


+1 for new eve profession orbital bombardier

Orbital Bombardier

I orbit planets spamming dust bunnies for coordinates .

I unleash holy hell upon unsuspecting hordes.

I get my jollies off griefing console maggots .
Written Word
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-02-26 15:35:27 UTC
Disappointment is the only product CCP sells
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#18 - 2012-02-26 16:28:35 UTC
testobjekt wrote:
Yes you will be able to kill them with impunity ....

Guys be realistic, it looks cool in the trailers but THATS IT. There is noway in hell they will let us bomb them, because the avarege eveplayer would take incredible delight in bombing every last one of them unitl they quit the game.

How does this sales pitch sound to you:

Please play our console game, where you will die after a few seconds at the Hand of PC players who are untouchable for you and will just kill you again and again and again.

Yeah right, not gonna happen.

Another tidbit for you: The technic was already explained, there will be geolocated dust gameserver, who download the information from the eve-cluster before the start of the game and report the result back to the Cluster once the match has concluded



Orbital bombardment doesn't have to insta-kill everyone. Think creatively. It could slow down the respawn rate of the enemy, or limit weapons/vehicles to certain classes only, etc, while the bombardment is in effect. That way you'd have dreads sieging planets for these beneficial effects, and of course dreads being hot-dropped while in seige mode...
Valei Khurelem
#19 - 2012-02-26 16:37:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
If Dust releases for PS3 only it is our duty to remind Dust players this is a cold harsh universe, therefore I propose a special coalition that will go around indiscriminately orbital bombing all Dust players to kingdom come.

Finally! High Sec and 0.0 players will work together and agree on something! Death to PS3 players and console exclusives!

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Dasola
New Edens Freeports
#20 - 2012-02-26 16:39:22 UTC
Come on that cannon food only expects to die ALOT.

More seriously Hilmar himself did show that on fanfest couple years ago: "When diplomacy fails theres always...... nuke from orbit option".

Maybe ccp should think why planets would be worth fighting for on that scale? Currently there no such resource on planets surfaces.

We are Minmatar, Our ship are made of scraps, but look what our scraps can do...
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