Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I like your proposal better, and I think it's on the right track unlike the OPs, but I still think there is room for some improvement. There are 3 points I'd like to address.

The first is war cost. Wars are cheap right now if you look at the cost of a single war. But an alliance like mine spends nearly 2 bil every week on wardecs. Our wars are not cheap. Under your proposal, our war cost would actually increase, even without the increased cost for each additional war. I think a number in the realm of 150-200m per war without increases is more realistic. It increases the cost of a single dec but the weekly war bill for alliances that do a lot of decs would be more or less the same.

The second is membership. I think locking someone in or out of a corp under any circumstances is a bad thing. I also agree that the current membership exploits need to be addressed. The simplest way to do this, imo, is to just add a 24 hour delay to joining or leaving a corp at war. You push the button to join or leave, and 24 hours later it just happens. Like when corps join alliances.

The third is war dec renewal. If you don't lock members in or out of corps there's no reason to not keep the current renewal system.

Also, there's another war exploit that your proposal didn't address: the dec shield alliance. That can easily be fixed by an alliance's wars transferring to a corp leaving an alliance for the remaining amount of time on the dec, with the option to renew, instead of the current 24-hours. POSes should not be perfectly safe in high-sec. Right now they are.

+1 to all other points of your proposal.

Also, for what it's worth, the mercenary invite thing is interesting, and would be helpful, but not really a huge improvement over how things stand right now. There's nothing to stop friends from wardec'ing aggressors right now, and happens frequently.

My bad. I saw the outline in my RSS reader on the EN24 feed. I think I only got the very first iteration.

If there's one thing we do not need more of in EVE it is structures to shoot at.

Some of the ideas of allowing third parties to get involved in general are quite good but your idea in general is not good.

CCP spent a lot of work with the Dominion release to try moving the SOV process away from bashing endless structures yet you are suggesting the complete opposite.

Even if you did get some community backing this I could easily see CCP stone-walling the idea.

It's just not the right solution.

The fee for going to war against corporation (especially small ones) needs to be increased.

Seems an unnecessarily overblown and complex way of achieveing somewhat reasonable aims.

1. Allow third parties to end a war without warmups/cooldowns, ie: Mercs.
Participants in a war should be allowed to "attach" corps in a temporary alliance. The defender for free and with a warmup in minutes, the attacker for a fee, limited to as many as the defender attaches and with a warmup in hours. This is the perfect mechanism for mercs.

2. Provide some element of risk for an 'attacker', so they are a little more likely to choose their targets well.
I agree that wardecs are too cheap and too free of risk. I would like to see a penalty for an attacker who fails to prevent the defender from continuing its normal operations if the defender attempts to do so, but any mechanism for this would be horrendously complex. Maybe a fudge where the defender corp has some kind of mission-like task in the attacker's home system - not blobbing a sov-like structure - which would end the war or impose an ISK penalty on the attacker. If the aim of a war is to prevent the defender from operating, that should involve ships in space, not in station.

4. Eliminate the existing loopholes in the mechanics and build a fairly robust system which doesn't have any big holes in it.
Pockets of pseudonullsec in high sec with no ability to control entrance into the system would just be an invitation to griefing. In a war, people need to pick sides.

You're coming at this too much from a Uni perspective. Wardecs can bring many of the Uni's activities grinding to a halt, and you have a problem with this, but against small corps your WSOP are overkill. In a war against corps with manageable numbers of players you could go to relaxed WSOP in some areas of space and not others - you have the PVPers and intelligence to handle scouting and intel gathering.

Good grief what is that WSOP all about? All it is missing is a small verse of Vogon poetry.