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How to avoid getting scammed when trying to find a new corp
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UrMomLvsEmo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-09-21 01:22:36 UTC
Can anyone offer some guidelines as to what i should ask and what i should watch out for when choosing a new Corp? Example if i need my ships to a new area for the corp and have not joined yet, what should i do? HOw do i avoid losing my ships? How about your API? SHould i ever give out my full api? And so on.

Thanks, just frustrating to find a new legit corp for someone who hasn't really looked for new corps before.

Thanks
Jita Alt666
#2 - 2011-09-21 01:32:40 UTC
Some Quick Tips:
If you have Real Life friends who play Eve - tag along with them.
Think about what you want to do with a corp before looking to join a corp
If you are really nervous about the recruitment process (an I wouldn't blame you) start an alt and hang out in the recruitment channels.
Use your alt to talk with prospective corps
Use out of game resources to confirm what the corp actually is: Dotlan. Eve Wiki.
Do forum searches for the player you are communicating with
Keep resources where you originally come from in case things don't work out.
Never give out your full API.
Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Doomheim
#3 - 2011-09-21 01:36:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Full API should be fine, it doesn't give any access to account login information, just more detailed information about your character. Limited is better and preferable though. Most corps won't ask for the full API.

Corps that ask for an application fee are ones to stay away from.

Also, don't move all your assets to your new corp's territory all at once, especially if it's in nullsec or losec. Bring only what you need for a few days. If they're legit, you can setup a second courier contract to get the rest of your stuff to where it needs to be.

When it comes to the interview, ask about what kinds of ops they do, how they split payouts, etc. If it seems unfair to you, ask for it to be clarified. If there is a high tax rate or a large portion of minerals are taken for corp use after mining ops, then ask what benefits those things give you.

That's about all I can think of at the moment. Good luck finding a corp that fits for you.
Raid'En
#4 - 2011-09-21 01:50:43 UTC
good advices here

i'll add a little thing :
avoid people offering you to join while you never heard of their corp before

either they are looking for more people from any way, and have good chance of being terrible
either it's a scam
Jita Alt666
#5 - 2011-09-21 02:01:07 UTC
Mehrdad Kor-Azor wrote:
Full API should be fine, it doesn't give any access to account login information, just more detailed information about your character. Limited is better and preferable though. Most corps won't ask for the full API.


Strongly disagree. Unless you can guarantee that the person you are giving it to will not pass it on to some one else. Be prepared for all your transactions to checked, your evemails to read, your location to noted, your skills to be monitored. If you find out after 3 weeks the corp you gave that power to does not have your best interest at heart...
Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Doomheim
#6 - 2011-09-21 02:03:26 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Mehrdad Kor-Azor wrote:
Full API should be fine, it doesn't give any access to account login information, just more detailed information about your character. Limited is better and preferable though. Most corps won't ask for the full API.


Strongly disagree. Unless you can guarantee that the person you are giving it to will not pass it on to some one else. Be prepared for all your transactions to checked, your evemails to read, your location to noted, your skills to be monitored. If you find out after 3 weeks the corp you gave that power to does not have your best interest at heart...


You can just request a new one, right? If not, then yeah, don't give out the full API.
Russell Casey
Doomheim
#7 - 2011-09-21 03:24:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Russell Casey
If they ask for anything besides an API, it's a scam.
If they ask for anything besides an API, it's a scam.
If they ask for anything besides an API, it's a scam.
If they ask for anything besides an API, it's a scam.
If they ask for anything besides an API, it's a scam.
If they ask for anything besides an API, it's a scam.
If they ask for anything besides an API, it's a scam.
If they ask for anything besides an API, it's a scam.
If they ask for anything besides an API, it's a scam.
If they ask for anything besides an API, it's a scam.
If they ask for anything besides an API, it's a scam.
If they ask for anything besides an API, it's a scam.
If they ask for anything besides an API, it's a scam.
If they ask for anything besides an API, it's a scam.
If they ask for anything besides an API, it's a scam.
If they ask for anything besides an API, it's a scam.
If they ask for anything besides an API, it's a scam.


Now I'm off to C&P to see how many "Goons took my isk and blocked me" threads were created while posting this. Also, don't go around the recruitment channel bragging about your Deadspace-fit Mach you do lvl 4s with.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-09-21 04:50:17 UTC
UrMomLvsEmo wrote:
Can anyone offer some guidelines as to what i should ask and what i should watch out for when choosing a new Corp? Example if i need my ships to a new area for the corp and have not joined yet, what should i do? HOw do i avoid losing my ships? How about your API? SHould i ever give out my full api? And so on.

Thanks, just frustrating to find a new legit corp for someone who hasn't really looked for new corps before.

Thanks


The first rule in finding a good corp is defining what you want in a corp. The second rule is if it sounds too good to be true, it is. There are a lot of recruiters out there that will tell you what you want to hear and then none of it is true when you get in the corp.

Something else I found disturbing when I was looking for a corp were payout policies for fleet ops. A lot of corps have policies like they buy all the loot and you have to ask for your isk. Or they have percentage earning schemes. Or they want you to install software to help keep track of your activities in order to determine what you should be paid. I can't tell you if any of this is good or bad. But I can tell you as a player, I don't like it. As such I started my own corp with simple equal split for participation.

Full API is not unsafe. But it is giving potential corps a complete picture of your activities. So, if you ever had an alt that you wanted to keep completely separate from your main and you ever contracted something to that alt, it's available via your full API. Now, corps wanting full api will tell you it's to prevent spies or corp theft. Ok. But it doesn't do any of that. So why give out the full API for such a BS reason. Just my humble opinion.

If honesty and respect are important to you, then you want a corp where the person recruiting you is being honest. You can usually tell they're being honest when they don't tell you everything you want to hear. So, keep that in mind.


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Princess Cellestia
Friendship is Podding
#9 - 2011-09-21 04:55:42 UTC
Ok, big info here, in b4 kicked from TEST lol. Before applying or accepting an invitation, or paying isk, or sending items, or providing an api, or any of that ****. Do a little bit of research on the alliance/corp/whatever you're applying to. Take a look at the corp/alliance info page in game at the very least, that will tell you how to join most of the time. Recruitment scamming is a damn good money maker, you can get billions for an hours work, and if any of the morons TEST has scammed bothered to check the in game info page, they would have saved themselves the pain of it. Actually maybe 5 people will read this and figure it out so I'm good. Just do your damn research before you give away all your ****. Also there ARE some corps/alliances who require security deposits, full apis, and other ****. It's called keeping out the spies, and it works. TEST doesn't, because 99% of TEST are all people spying on 1 dude. And its not Montolio, he's a spy too.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-09-21 08:30:00 UTC
Tip: don't name your character "UrMomLvsEmo".
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
#11 - 2011-09-21 08:35:31 UTC
My tips for finding a good corp.

The one and only rule you ever need to know. If they ask for anything, its a scam. API keys is probobly the only reasonable request and even that I would be seriously be weary of, strictly speaking their is absolutly no reason at all why someone needs to look at that information except you.

The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub. 
Josef Huffenpuff
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-09-21 08:44:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Huffenpuff
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Mehrdad Kor-Azor wrote:
Full API should be fine, it doesn't give any access to account login information, just more detailed information about your character. Limited is better and preferable though. Most corps won't ask for the full API.


Strongly disagree. Unless you can guarantee that the person you are giving it to will not pass it on to some one else. Be prepared for all your transactions to checked, your evemails to read, your location to noted, your skills to be monitored. If you find out after 3 weeks the corp you gave that power to does not have your best interest at heart...


Yes, we will read your skill sheet, check all your wallet transactions, we will read your mail, we will check that your assets match what you say in your voice interview and we will cross-check all of your interesting contacts through eve-search and do lots of other things to decide if you appear to be who you claim to be. And we will ask for the full API's of all your accounts so we can do this for all your toons.

If you don't give us your API you wont get in. If you have a problem with this don't apply, we don't want you. Corp theft & meta gaming means that this is the price for getting into most serious corps.

Nobody can steal anything from you using your API key, they cant access your account and you can change your API key any time you want.

Edit:

If they ask for anything besides an API, it's a scam.
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
#13 - 2011-09-21 08:54:04 UTC
Josef Huffenpuff wrote:
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Mehrdad Kor-Azor wrote:
Full API should be fine, it doesn't give any access to account login information, just more detailed information about your character. Limited is better and preferable though. Most corps won't ask for the full API.


Strongly disagree. Unless you can guarantee that the person you are giving it to will not pass it on to some one else. Be prepared for all your transactions to checked, your evemails to read, your location to noted, your skills to be monitored. If you find out after 3 weeks the corp you gave that power to does not have your best interest at heart...


Yes, we will read your skill sheet, check all your wallet transactions, we will read your mail, we will check that your assets match what you say in your voice interview and we will cross-check all of your interesting contacts through eve-search and do lots of other things to decide if you appear to be who you claim to be. And we will ask for the full API's of all your accounts so we can do this for all your toons.

If you don't give us your API you wont get in. If you have a problem with this don't apply, we don't want you. Corp theft & meta gaming means that this is the price for getting into most serious corps.

Nobody can steal anything from you using your API key, they cant access your account and you can change your API key any time you want.

Edit:

If they ask for anything besides an API, it's a scam.


All well and good as long as the intention of the person you are giving your API to is good, which is actually rarely the case and why joining a corp that requires it is generally a bad idea unless you have some form of guarantee, or someway to verify their intentions. Its what makes entering the game so difficult today. For every honest person like you just cross checking credentials their are a dozens of people who will use the information against you.

The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub. 
Flamewave
Crimson Moon Society
#14 - 2011-09-21 09:06:17 UTC
I think the most important thing is to just find people you get along with since generally they're less likely to throw you under a bus. Larger corps may have a public chat; hang in there a while and see how it goes, sorta like interviewing.

A hefty dose of paranoia also helps. Blink

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Khimi Harar
#15 - 2011-09-21 09:13:24 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Mehrdad Kor-Azor wrote:
Full API should be fine, it doesn't give any access to account login information, just more detailed information about your character. Limited is better and preferable though. Most corps won't ask for the full API.


Strongly disagree. Unless you can guarantee that the person you are giving it to will not pass it on to some one else. Be prepared for all your transactions to checked, your evemails to read, your location to noted, your skills to be monitored. If you find out after 3 weeks the corp you gave that power to does not have your best interest at heart...



You can reset your api after the interview.

And one tip: Don't give money/ships/whatever

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