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Wot's all this then about these Goons?

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Vyl Vit
#1 - 2012-02-24 19:31:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Vyl Vit
I don't hate Goons. I don't like Goons. I don't know any Goons, so I can't say if they're the sort that'd rescue an old lady's cat from under a car, or shove their grandmother under a bus. (And, I won't say which I prefer.) I respect the Goons for what they've done in EVE, and I think for this they deserve respect. This is not to say they deserve affection, or admiration.

I don't like crabgrass in my yard. I don't hate crabgrass, it's just that it's so efficient in its strategy to succeed if I don't assault the crabgrass, it'll succeed in defeating the grass I DO prefer to call my lawn. As I'm out there in the sun beating back the onslaught of crabgrass, I can't help but respect it. It does what it does well, and it deserves credit for that, although...I'll always kill it on sight.

What the Goons have succeeded in doing, if rumors be true, is what many before them have attempted and few have accomplished. Maybe Mittani is personally responsible for this success through inventive genius, or maybe he's just a good manager that allows the genius around him to flourish, or maybe (just maybe) he and his group have had no real opposition and managed to take what wasn't being tended winding up in the position they now have despite their natures as people.

Whatever the case may be, this is EVE. Hating Goons won't get anyone anywhere in this sandbox. As I've said many times before, concerted effort will. Don't like Goons? Replace them. The ones who pull together an organization with talent and discipline that surpasses the Goons will do just that. Until that is done, all this angst about Goons is so much "sound and fury signifying nothing." As long as the Goons can sit where they are and see nothing but verbiage as a viable threat, they have a right to gloat, and they will.

I'm not calling for an all out effort to supplant Goondom. Their presence is a matter of indifference to me. I am calling for a more clever, and strategic approach to building sand castles in our sandbox. It's the mark of us as players. New Eden is full of just the sort of toys that can elevate many more than just the Goons to enviable positions of power. The question is, has always been and will always remain: Who can pull it off?

Believe it or not, there will come a day when the Goons will wind up the same way as BoB did, the subject of stories about long ago. Someone else will have taken their place. Time has that quality. Ask the mountains that are now beaches. I can imagine EVE still being around when Mittani is seventy years old. I can't imagine Mittani still being around EVE when HE's seventy (if he makes it that far.) I can see him bouncing his grandchildren off the walls...er, on his knee. Then, maybe I'm wrong. If the Goons manage to survive the test of time, THEN they'll be an object of my admiration as well as respect.

So...who can pull it off? That's New Eden for you - full of possibilities.


TL;DR? Take remedial reading courses and hope for the best.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#2 - 2012-02-24 19:39:15 UTC
Unions are worse then goons though.

Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne

Serene Repose
#3 - 2012-02-24 19:44:51 UTC
Vyl, I hate it when you lock down an issue. This doesn't mean I'll stop ragging on Mitt. Nyah!
Blink

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Aldous Sancros
Fidelis Limited
#4 - 2012-02-24 19:45:01 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
Don't like Goons? Replace them. The ones who pull together an organization with talent and discipline that surpasses the Goons will do just that


Confirming Goons are a well-oiled machine of military discipline.
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-02-24 19:46:14 UTC
Aldous Sancros wrote:
Vyl Vit wrote:
Don't like Goons? Replace them. The ones who pull together an organization with talent and discipline that surpasses the Goons will do just that


Confirming Goons are a well-oiled machine of military discipline.

They perspire not, neither do they fart.

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.

Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-02-24 19:47:14 UTC
those goons sure sound like something awful
Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2012-02-24 20:10:54 UTC
Killstealing wrote:
those goons sure sound like something awful

I see what you did there!
Triskian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-02-24 20:32:12 UTC
Pok Nibin wrote:
Aldous Sancros wrote:
Vyl Vit wrote:
Don't like Goons? Replace them. The ones who pull together an organization with talent and discipline that surpasses the Goons will do just that


Confirming Goons are a well-oiled machine of military discipline.

They perspire not, neither do they fart.


Scandalous lies.

I just farted. I can confirm that all goons fart which is contrary to your claims.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-02-24 20:49:34 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
Their presence is a matter of indifference to me.


Your huge spergy post about us would indicate otherwise.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-02-24 21:13:05 UTC
iirc, Goons have already lost all their space twice.(once because they forgot to pay their sov bills) Because they're not an EVE based community, they will never truly dissolve.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#11 - 2012-02-24 21:15:09 UTC
Aldous Sancros wrote:
Vyl Vit wrote:
Don't like Goons? Replace them. The ones who pull together an organization with talent and discipline that surpasses the Goons will do just that


Confirming Goons are a well-oiled machine of military discipline.

Yeah, we're a collective consciousness remember...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2012-02-24 21:18:08 UTC
my legacy is not in how i am remembered by people who still play eve, but in the bitter memories of those whom i forced to ragequit

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#13 - 2012-02-24 21:21:32 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
I'm not calling for an all out effort to supplant Goondom.

Don't worry there's one or two... or so

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-02-24 21:26:31 UTC
That sure was a lot of :words: about some guys on the internet
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-02-24 22:14:25 UTC
Aiwha wrote:
iirc, Goons have already lost all their space twice.(once because they forgot to pay their sov bills) Because they're not an EVE based community, they will never truly dissolve.

Deklein was also given to them. They didn't work for it at all. Handed to them on a silver platter for nothing.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#16 - 2012-02-24 22:16:11 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Aiwha wrote:
iirc, Goons have already lost all their space twice.(once because they forgot to pay their sov bills) Because they're not an EVE based community, they will never truly dissolve.


Like a bad rash we just pop up in another place.
Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-02-24 22:16:28 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Aiwha wrote:
iirc, Goons have already lost all their space twice.(once because they forgot to pay their sov bills) Because they're not an EVE based community, they will never truly dissolve.

Deklein was also given to them. They didn't work for it at all. Handed to them on a silver platter for nothing.


Jealous much?
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-02-25 00:12:57 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Aiwha wrote:
iirc, Goons have already lost all their space twice.(once because they forgot to pay their sov bills) Because they're not an EVE based community, they will never truly dissolve.

Deklein was also given to them. They didn't work for it at all. Handed to them on a silver platter for nothing.


I'm assuming this means the crack PvPers from TragedyDOT will be coming along to take it away from us?

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-02-25 00:16:50 UTC
Triskian wrote:
Pok Nibin wrote:
Aldous Sancros wrote:
Vyl Vit wrote:
Don't like Goons? Replace them. The ones who pull together an organization with talent and discipline that surpasses the Goons will do just that


Confirming Goons are a well-oiled machine of military discipline.

They perspire not, neither do they fart.


Scandalous lies.

I just farted. I can confirm that all goons fart which is contrary to your claims.

but did u jenk?
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#20 - 2012-02-25 00:22:42 UTC
Of the zillionish posts I've read about Goons... I still don't see what all the fuss is about. What are they doing that anyone else couldn't do?

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