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C3 WH Gila?
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Hestia Mar
Calmaretto
#1 - 2012-02-24 15:22:55 UTC
I know that its compulsory (lol) to use a Drake or Tengu in a C3 WH, but I do like Gallente ships, so I just wondered if anyone has experience of using a T2 HML fitted Gila to run the sites (from the research I've done, a Proteus isn't any good for C3 sites)?

Or is a passive shield tanked, AC fitted Myrm a decent alternative? I seem to be able to get more dps in the Myrm than in the Drake, although obviously I get more tank in the Drake.

I also have a minni toon and would like to use an AC 'cane - is that doable in a C3?

H
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-02-24 15:53:28 UTC
Here's the core issue with the Gila: Most of its DPS is in drones and Sleepers will kill the drones.

The Drake itself has issues with DPS in a C3, the Gila is going to have even more issues due to it's poor DPS without being able to rely on drones.

And I don't think the Cane has the tank to handle a C3 solo, especially when fit with ACs. In a pair though, it would probably do ok (especially if you had two BCs spidertanking).
Hestia Mar
Calmaretto
#3 - 2012-02-24 16:04:08 UTC
Thanks for the reply...Drake it is then (and then onto Tengu)

I don't have the confidence in my PC to be able to run two clients running combat sites where quick reactions might be needed so will normally run the sites with a corpie.

H
Raleigh Dawn
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-02-24 17:20:30 UTC
Would using Sentries (after you've dealt with the frigates in the wave with light drones), orbitting them, and keeping them alive with remote shield reppers be doable? Inquiring minds are keen to find out...
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#5 - 2012-02-24 17:36:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Raleigh Dawn wrote:
Would using Sentries (after you've dealt with the frigates in the wave with light drones), orbitting them, and keeping them alive with remote shield reppers be doable? Inquiring minds are keen to find out...


Drones don't get primaried that much in C3s. I regularly used a Sleip and let the drones free-roam and only lost one drone every few sites - and even those were mostly because I was lazy and never repped my drones.

-Liang

Ed: Oh, and RR drones almost never get shot at. I think its because each drone's aggro is calculated individually and RR drones are quite weak when compared individually.

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2012-02-25 01:40:58 UTC
mxzf wrote:
Here's the core issue ....


Much as mxzf says ... altho sleepers targeting drones is only major PITA if you not taking care, or if they heavies and you using them a long ways off. wrt drones sleepers are erratic beasties in that sometimes you can run a dozen sites and not lose a one, and then next site you have two complete waves decimated.

Drake can tank C3s no probs but is slow clear the resident sleepers.

If your gila fit tanks near-like a drake then, providing you careful with your drones, you should be able to clear the C3 sites.

Hurricane, solo, is not viable for C3 sites. The issue is tank ... and a/c 'cane can pump out eough DPS. You might possibly be able to clear the easiest but even there I hav my doubts. Two hurricanes prolly not manage either, without repping ... early on I ran local-tank hurricane / maelstrom two-ship and just barely managed.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Ahrieman
Codex Praedonum
Divine Damnation
#7 - 2012-02-25 01:44:35 UTC
If you try it, let us know how it goes. Gila is pretty sweet and makes me wish I had the right set of skills to fly it. Might be fun for C3's.

Solo Rifter since 2009
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#8 - 2012-02-25 01:59:47 UTC
Ahrieman wrote:
If you try it, let us know how it goes. Gila is pretty sweet and makes me wish I had the right set of skills to fly it. Might be fun for C3's.


Your wish is my command

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Ben Dourion
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-03-04 14:36:42 UTC
If you have 2 chars, I would advise to use 2 command ships or 2 drakes even if the dps will be subpar.

Somehow I highly doubt a gila will survive very long on a C3 site, dps and neuting are serious, and as someone mentionned , drones are not to be used as reliable dps in a WH, sleepers hit them hard.

Another point you should consider is also the "other player" factor. I mean the longer you re out of your POS or in the WH, the bigger the risk is to get ganked,.

2 nighthawks or even 1 nighthawk and 1 drake with decent missile skills will kill sleepers in a reasonnable time , get teh drake to follow the NH and keep the NH aligned all the time. if the **** hit the fan, sacrifice the drake and warp with the CS ship.
Unimaginative Guy
Dutch Squad
#10 - 2012-03-05 01:12:51 UTC
Gila will work PERFECTLY fine.

Use the Gila but dont use heavies, use sentries. Use a combo of LSE, 1 invuln, passive resist mods. Lows use a DC and SPRs with purger rigs. It can EASILY get 600+ tank for solo c3s. Also duelbox with your drake with a same overtanked passive fit so you dont have to worry about it...300 dps is better than 0, and its cheap. Furthermore, use the drake to smack frigates with t1 missiles, assign its hobgoblins to the gila, and use gila sentries on everything else. Also make a fleet with yourself so if you see something on dscan you can fleetwarp to a safespot which is faster than alt tabbing to the other character.
Hestia Mar
Calmaretto
#11 - 2012-03-05 14:39:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Hestia Mar
A bit of Pyfa-warrioring came up with this:

Gila C3

HML II x 3 (Scourge Fury Missile)

LSE II x 3
Invuln II
F-S9 Regolith Deflection Shield Induction
Azeotropic EM Ward Salubrity

SPR II x 3
DCII

Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I x 2

Garde II x 5 (plus other drones in bay)

with my skills, 564 DPS and EHP of 54.6k, cap stable at 58.7%

I've started to run the sites with a corpie in a Drake so I hope this might work.

Comments on the fit would be appreciated.

H

Edit - what Sleipneir fit would you use, Liang?
Crazy Jade
xLegion of the dammedx.
Moose Alliance
#12 - 2012-03-05 14:42:14 UTC
2 boats in a site and drones never get targeted its only if there is one
Andrea Griffin
#13 - 2012-03-05 16:04:16 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Your wish is my command
I wish Liang would give me all assets on all accounts, and then post on the forums about how I am the best PvP pilot in Eve, ever. And then let me solo kill a Titan with an Ibis or something. : >

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Vihura
Vihura Cor
#14 - 2012-03-05 17:20:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Vihura
Hestia Mar wrote:
A bit of Pyfa-warrioring came up with this:

Gila C3

HML II x 3 (Scourge Fury Missile)

LSE II x 3
Invuln II
F-S9 Regolith Deflection Shield Induction
Azeotropic EM Ward Salubrity

SPR II x 3
DCII

Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I x 2

Garde II x 5 (plus other drones in bay)

with my skills, 564 DPS and EHP of 54.6k, cap stable at 58.7%

I've started to run the sites with a corpie in a Drake so I hope this might work.

Comments on the fit would be appreciated.

H

Edit - what Sleipneir fit would you use, Liang?


You need more tank
Dont use HML put salvager + or AML

[Gila, Gila WH solo C3]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II


Salvager or AML
Salvager or AML
Salvager or AML
-------free (tractor beam)
Core Probe Launcher I

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I



4x SPR look good in EFT but you notic then you have problem with warping from place to place, and AML help with frigates
you can replace one LSE II with afterburner or one PDS II with tird SPR.

P.S. I use fly this in C3 and I thought was good until I get in to Tengu...
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#15 - 2012-03-05 17:40:33 UTC
Andrea Griffin wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Your wish is my command
I wish Liang would give me all assets on all accounts, and then post on the forums about how I am the best PvP pilot in Eve, ever. And then let me solo kill a Titan with an Ibis or something. : >


The contracts are up. Andrea Griffin is the best PvP pilot in Eve, ever. The Titan will be in Amamake tonight at 6:30 PM Pacific.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Mumtaz Khan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-03-06 15:16:43 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Raleigh Dawn wrote:
Would using Sentries (after you've dealt with the frigates in the wave with light drones), orbitting them, and keeping them alive with remote shield reppers be doable? Inquiring minds are keen to find out...


Drones don't get primaried that much in C3s. I regularly used a Sleip and let the drones free-roam and only lost one drone every few sites - and even those were mostly because I was lazy and never repped my drones.


False. When your primary form of DPS is coming from drones, they will get shot. I used a dual-rep Myrmidon for a few days, until I realized how completely useless it is. You will beat your head into a bloody pulp when you keep losing drones. It's not impossible to run solo in a drone boat, but it requires a high level of vigilance to recall your drones once rats split off webs and dps to get them. In a fleet, it becomes less of a problem.