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RETURNED - EVE Marketeer - Market Data Aggregation & Information

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Maeste Madeveda
The Spawning Pool
#481 - 2012-02-21 20:59:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Maeste Madeveda
I also encountered a problem today with the uploader, it was stuck at some point but I was unable to reproduce the error because it went well after I reloaded the app.

Edit : The new compare system is very useful, but you have to remove Lonetrek and replace it by Heimatar. There is no real hub in Lonetrek (at least no complete ones) and Rens is certainly more important than Lonetrek.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#482 - 2012-02-22 22:49:52 UTC
The API pages have gone fugly. With the new backgrounds for Parameters / Log Format / etc, it's impossible to read the text without selecting it.

Also, it would be nice if we could link directly to specific API explanation pages instead of saying "go to this URL, then scroll down a lot and look for XYZ".
TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#483 - 2012-02-22 23:00:36 UTC
Could we get an option to have all HighSec / LowSec / NullSec prices listed within the product overview?

Atm I use EVEcentral for that, but it would be great to have this all in 1 place. Good thing to note: I would prefer a filter to, I mostly wholesale, so I would like to filter the orders on a case by case bases. Say > 100000# or >1000#, due the product type, atm this seems not possible at @ evemarketeer.

"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X

"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron

-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#484 - 2012-02-24 10:04:59 UTC
2 little bugs.

1) In candle bars graph, there's a nice mouse over tooltip that tells open, close etc. But its Z-Order makes it go below the selectors for the months and history.

Screenshot

2) Also, in the same screenshot, you can see how sometimes the candle bars appear with no body at all. It should always show at least 1 pixel. The item in the screenshot where you can see this behavior is Single-crystal Superalloy I-beam
Amber Green Thorn
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#485 - 2012-02-24 18:56:10 UTC
Superb stuff - bit difficult I could imagine for a new player to get his head around but whoa -nice one!
Callean Drevus
Perkone
Caldari State
#486 - 2012-02-25 21:19:42 UTC
I am aware of the problems with some of the parts of the interface, however, I'm super busy in RL right now, so updates will have to be a bit delayed.

Regarding the comparisons, those can be done changed on the same page by using the plus button, and can be removed on the group summary page (click one of the links in the breadcrumbs to get there) . A link to delete on the same page will follow.

I will also mention, that though I would very much like a item summary page for combined regions, the architecture makes this a bit difficult. Would it suffice if the page would just serve the item info table and the orders list (no trends, history, manufacturing etc. At least at first?)

Good idea on splitting up the API pages, would probably make more sense and give me less headaches.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#487 - 2012-02-26 20:29:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
I keep having problems with the uploader (I don't delete cache files).

If I click on an item I never uploaded it works.
If I click on an item I uploaded it won't work, neither in manual nor IGB mode and yes I repead the procedure you listed some posts ago.

Today I tried uploading all minerals (I did not do it since days) and it uploaded nothing at all, neither the orders nor the history.

BTW please add a category "Ice" (at least isotopes, but LO etc would be cool) so I can use the IGB for them.

Result: saving CSV extracts a file with prices of 2 days ago. My own script run over the same cache fetches all the prices, proving I indeed have the full data on my computer.
TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#488 - 2012-02-27 11:42:20 UTC  |  Edited by: TheSmokingHertog
Callean Drevus wrote:
...

I will also mention, that though I would very much like a item summary page for combined regions, the architecture makes this a bit difficult. Would it suffice if the page would just serve the item info table and the orders list (no trends, history, manufacturing etc. At least at first?)

....


As far as my function request is concerned, I would not need trends to go with the combination of regions. The trends, history and manufacturing would be available through means now available. Within product groups I have on the markets the named tabs would not have additional value, since I have enough tools available to notice inter-regional market trends at this moment.

Additional non-urgent request; within the "Transaction Summary" overview page, you can specify a period to look at, can you make this dynamic again? so, if I set the period to include last month, I would like to see that each time. Now I adjust the period each time to the appropriate period. But the function serves it goal, It just would be great to have, thats all. Thx anyhow.

And another such one; on the "Selling Speed" overview page I would like to drop the price, so I can see average moving speeds "product based" in stead of "order sell value based" (most products have a wide price spread throughout the several regions). This information I not gather in my own tools yet, so this would be a great addition. With this information I would be able to refine my MRP / DRP planning system. Thx.

"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X

"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron

-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-

Callean Drevus
Perkone
Caldari State
#489 - 2012-02-28 21:10:57 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I keep having problems with the uploader (I don't delete cache files).

If I click on an item I never uploaded it works.
If I click on an item I uploaded it won't work, neither in manual nor IGB mode and yes I repead the procedure you listed some posts ago.

Today I tried uploading all minerals (I did not do it since days) and it uploaded nothing at all, neither the orders nor the history.

BTW please add a category "Ice" (at least isotopes, but LO etc would be cool) so I can use the IGB for them.

Result: saving CSV extracts a file with prices of 2 days ago. My own script run over the same cache fetches all the prices, proving I indeed have the full data on my computer.


I think I now know what the problem is. The uploader only checks for filenames. Because your files are always kept, and are only overwritten (with the same name) they uploader doesn't detect changes, and therefore uploads nothing. I'll modify the check to take into account file creation date as well :)

Oh, in addition to simply creating a 'move cache instead of delete', since that will solve these kinds of problems forever.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#490 - 2012-02-28 21:48:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Very cool, Callean.

I'd love the "file date-time" check because my other programs all auto-detect EvE cache file location and moving them will make those softwares stop working. It will also make the whole EvE caching mechanism pointless.


Second thing:

The search edit box is too short, items like Single-crystal Superalloy I-beam get cut very short. There's some room to the right of the search box or its buttons could be put outside of it.


Edit: bug report.

I was wondering about mismatches between the in game values and the graphs till I noticed this:

1) I opened Robotics

2) The resulting page is in this screenshot.

Notice how it states:

"Updated 2012-02-28"

while the last candle bar is off Feb 25.


Now I am going to try upload a newer data but this is just one of the items affected by this same thing.
Callean Drevus
Perkone
Caldari State
#491 - 2012-02-28 23:09:57 UTC
The EVE caching mechanism is pointless anyway, since EVE actually becomes faster when you clear the cache (the market window, anyway). At least, this was so in older versions of EVE. I haven't bothered to try out filling my cache lately.

While I agree that some items do not fit in the search box. I do not think this happens very often (to the point where you do not know what you typed into it anymore anyway). If I make the box bigger, or more the items out of it, the whole bar will be filled, and that will be very ugly (when you are logged in, you have some more options).

What I can do is expanding it on focus though, so you will be able to see all of what you type even if it disappears afterwards.


Regarding the last issue you mentioned. The value 'last updated' corresponds to is the order information. The last update for history information is not currently shown.

UPDATE:

I added some other things tonight (since I won't be able to add anything tomorrow).

1. ISK Dollar Index (found under trade information)
2. Likely sell locations for items (found on the item summary page, a new tab), that allow you to see where the items are currently sold (in the selected region) and where it could be profitable to sell them, based on asteroid belts or missioneers.
3. The comparison between regions (on the item summary page) remembers what you last selected, and now allows you to select none, if you think it is an annoying feature that just takes up screen space Blink

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Maeste Madeveda
The Spawning Pool
#492 - 2012-02-28 23:57:52 UTC
In the LP store, it would be nice if we could have the blueprints too. I know the prices of blueprints is not realistic because people are going to manufacture it asap but it could be nice to have them featured. Also there is a SQL error at the first page of the Best LP page :

Quote:
MYSQL ERROR OCCURRED: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'ORDER BY corporationName' at line 1
MYSQL ERROR OCCURRED: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'GROUP BY si.item_id ORDER BY profit_per_lp DESC' at line 1


Aside from that, I'm toying with the new features, it looks great. Sometimes it seems not to work but I can't figure why yet so I'll get back to you when I do.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#493 - 2012-02-29 08:13:14 UTC
Callean Drevus wrote:

Regarding the last issue you mentioned. The value 'last updated' corresponds to is the order information. The last update for history information is not currently shown.


It'd be lovely if that last history update was shown, for several reasons:

1) The devices used to read the web page could have no easy way to hover over the graph on the last day. The graph for obvious space reason won't show all the days below the graph.

2) It's stated nowhere that the last update is only for the orders book, if I can get fooled stay sure that others will as well.

3) Knowing at a glance that the history is not updated would make me turn on my EvE computer and upload it. I only work with the history anyway.



Callean Drevus wrote:

1. ISK Dollar Index (found under trade information)


I love you!

On an unrelated matter, how the hell do you manage to code in all those cool looking and useful things so fast?
Last time I PHP coded it was a big effort (time wise) and easily produced ugly pages. Are you using a framework like YII or just divine powers?
Callean Drevus
Perkone
Caldari State
#494 - 2012-02-29 10:17:30 UTC
Quote:
On an unrelated matter, how the hell do you manage to code in all those cool looking and useful things so fast?

Most of all, I think it's that I hack together the stuff in a framework I built myself, it isn't really the best form of architectural coding (that is, I could spend twice as much time, and end up with somewhat prettier code), but it suffices. It is easy to add things that fall within the framework, but an insane expenditure of time to fix things that fall outside of that fold (for example, combining multiple regions).

In addition, the ISK Dollar Index is just the other index pages with a different and simpler query, so that one was exceptionally easy Blink

Quote:
Also there is a SQL error at the first page of the Best LP page :

Fixed it

I think the prices of blueprints are off the charts because there are no prices at all. This wasn't planned like this (wanted to show everything), I'll see if I can add them.

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Jaqa
Royale Strategic Imperative
#495 - 2012-03-03 08:15:25 UTC
Bumping. With love.

The Original Jaqalope Pilot of the Transportosaurus Rex 100% Free Range

Callean Drevus
Perkone
Caldari State
#496 - 2012-03-03 17:35:29 UTC
Today, added a (if I may say so myself) really cool feature.

Custom item lists! You hear this correctly, you can now create lists of item types you want information about. Currently, there is not much use for that though, as there's only one page that can make use of it. Anticlimax?

That page however, is really rather cool. It is also the most complex query I've ever written for EMK. With the possible exception of the traderoute finding alghorithm (which has never been released, yet).

In any case, I had always known it was a good idea to just buy stuff in Jita, and sell it in other solar systems for a markup, because people are lazy. However, I always had problems identifying the systems where it would be a good idea to sell stuff. Partially due to now know what missioning systems were, or what agents were available, but also because checking whether there already were quite enough competitors would prove to be a days worth of work.

As it turns out, this has also proven to be a days worth of work, but now I never have to do all that again. This report will check the region for all the items you have added to the list, and give you an overview of all solarsystems in which those are sold, with some additional information to make the spotting of lucrative areas quite easy.

The easiest way to explain is to just have you try it out. Just be careful, if you enter a lot of item types, the report might take a while to run (that is, 25 is probably the max if you want it to finish anywhere in a normal span of time, if you don't mind waiting, feel free to add more items :P)

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Dieter Rams
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#497 - 2012-03-03 20:29:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Dieter Rams
Very cool, thank you!
Callean Drevus
Perkone
Caldari State
#498 - 2012-03-03 20:32:14 UTC
****, it makes sense I should tell you that doesn't it P

Account -> Lists

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#499 - 2012-03-04 09:01:51 UTC
A little new suggestion.

For obvious reasons, no trading platform (nor your graphs) show all the days on the time axis.

All the platforms show a nice tooltip as you do already, with the minimum, maximum etc, but they also add the date of the price candle / dot as first line of the tooltip itself. You should too imo, it makes muuuuch sense and it takes like 30 seconds to implement.
Callean Drevus
Perkone
Caldari State
#500 - 2012-03-04 11:51:42 UTC
It actually doesn't take 30 seconds, because the graphing lib is so counterintuitive :P but yes, I'll see if I can do it Blink

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