EVE General Discussion

So what gives, why are you going down the road of prohibiting scams? I understand why character and timecode scams are not allowed, due to the fact that they involve the purchasing of services from CCP, but recruitment? Really? This rule is vague, it is selectively enforced and it goes completely against the spirit of the game. This rule also doesn't stop players from scouting out corporations to infiltrate and rob blind, it doesn't stop recruiters from looking for saps to recruit and gank - it is specifically targeted towards one type of scam. So I ask, why the double standard? Remove this rule.

Much more rewarding to let the fruit ripen before you reap them.

Jita local is intended for chat. So much for that!

And yet login statstics do demonstrate that the game has stagnated.

There is a contra argument that EvE could be a more pleasurable experience for everyone should a larger majority of the playerbase be catered for. CSM interests seem to be taking a more focussed approach to simply ensure interests are being covered for a "select" set of individuals rather than looking at things in a more philanthropic way to generate more interest for a multitude of different playstyles which could perfectly co-exist side by side and without being an exclusion to each other.

As such there is quite an amount of distaste in the community as a result of Goon meta interest as a result whose to say it isnt having a detrimental effect? The added value Goons bring IG is fine as the boogeymen, criminal element, clowns, griefers whatever your preferred label, but we need to make the distinction here between IG antics and arguing about mechanics for selfish benefit.There are plenty of opportunites available to scammers IG.

However, as it's CCP who made the ruling fair enough, I'll let them give full details for the justification for them making the change.

To those that could not read his original post I tried to fix it but some things are beyond my help.



Okay frankly everything you said there is basically BS, it was right when this character was started that Hilmar put out his SOS call as subscriptions plummeted and the average amount of logged in users was ~19,000. After the emergency summit in which the CSM (made up of 2 goons and others) helped revive the game. Since then subscriptions have been rising and the average amount of logged in users was ~30,000-40,000.

The CSM serves as a sanity filter to CCP, its purpose is to prevent horrible abominations like last summer. They basically revived the game so I have no idea why you hate them unless space barbies were a treasured thing of yours.

Also in case you didn't notice, goons do more things than make high sec miserable for a few stupid people. Look at 0.0 yes it exists, now look at that war going on. That huge war is another big draw to the game that you aren't giving them credit for. I'll give you that they are "bad guys" in this game but you cannot have "good guys" without bad guys. They serve a necessary part of this game and right now they are trying to act as a sanity filter against something being done probably out of laziness by CCP.

I can understand what CCP is trying to do as well, they want to address the horrible onslaught of stupid people petitioning being scammed. This isn't the right way to do that though this way creates more work and makes the game less of a sandbox.

Also for ****s sake put some effort into your posts I'm tired of having to get a decoder ring out just to figure out what you're saying.

That has more to do with space pants and other poor decision making on CCP's part than anything we are doing. If CCP could point to an actual statistic that showed them that scamming was actually hurting the game they would change the EULA and put a stop to it. Everything else is just hot air.

Ok fair enough so nothing to do with Goons, ok, so where is this amazing pull the Goons are demonstrating for the appeal to the game on the server graph, please point it out?

Umm..."nothing to do with Goons" means we don't have an effect on the server graph. I don't think you know what you're asking for.

Also your character was created way before the worst of it back in summer 2011. So you really don't have a clue how bad it actually was and couldn't possibly have a true perception of stagnation in this game.

Where is this graph now, link it for me? It certainly is not one of the two you linked, the first one is not even current and the server login graphs show a very slight increase.