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Is ISboxer allowed?
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Joost Merc
Sapphire Roughneck's Industry
#1 - 2012-02-23 13:27:25 UTC
So, i have heard a few people talking about this program for duel boxing on eve. Basicaly its a program which makes it easy to swap between accounts quickly on 1 monitor. This program also has a kind of mimic mouse on all accounts feature.

My question for a Dev, GM anyone with official information would be - Is this allowed or asking to get accounts banned?

I will state i have not used this program, and i certainly wont if its not allowed!
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-02-23 13:30:40 UTC
Yes

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Joost Merc
Sapphire Roughneck's Industry
#3 - 2012-02-23 13:31:32 UTC
Mr LaForge wrote:
Yes



To which part, allowed or banzored?

Thought id add a link so people can check easy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU46QY8lMqI
gfldex
#4 - 2012-02-23 13:40:27 UTC
A forum post ain't no petition. So yes, it is allowed. Have fun with your ban.

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Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#5 - 2012-02-23 13:41:33 UTC
This guy didn't get banned so you're probably good to go but probably best to get an official answer on it.

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Raneru
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#6 - 2012-02-23 13:42:39 UTC
AFAIK, as long as a human is manually performing the actions then its fine. Even if that action is duplicated across multiple clients.
Joost Merc
Sapphire Roughneck's Industry
#7 - 2012-02-23 13:46:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Joost Merc
Wacktopia wrote:
This guy didn't get banned so you're probably good to go but probably best to get an official answer on it.



I did laugh at that setup have to admit :D

So possibly programs are a nono, but double sided tape and a fairy washing up bottle is allll good
Aylat
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-02-23 13:47:05 UTC
This is what a GM told me:

Quote:
Hello there,

Multiboxing is allowed and it is allowed to use software to replicate keystrokes over multiple screens. A basic rule of thumb is that as long as you are actually controlling the accounts, it is fine. If the program is making the commands for you, i.e. playing the game for you, then it is a violation of the rules.

Your description of what you want to do sounds fine to me, it is fine to use software to help you input the same command to multiple clients at the same time. But remember that you yourself must be inputting all the commands!

I cannot vouch for the ISBoxer/Innerspace programs though, I have not used them and I do not know whether they have some functions which would be against the rules. There is also the issue of us officially vouching for a specific program, as we cannot know whether this program will add some sort of illegitimate function in the future. It would hypothetically be pretty bad if I said that using "ISBoxer" is totally fine if they were to add some sort of illegitimate macro functions in the future, even though the program might be fine at the time of the comment being made. I hope you understand.
Joost Merc
Sapphire Roughneck's Industry
#9 - 2012-02-23 13:49:26 UTC
Aylat wrote:
This is what a GM told me:

Quote:
Hello there,

Multiboxing is allowed and it is allowed to use software to replicate keystrokes over multiple screens. A basic rule of thumb is that as long as you are actually controlling the accounts, it is fine. If the program is making the commands for you, i.e. playing the game for you, then it is a violation of the rules.

Your description of what you want to do sounds fine to me, it is fine to use software to help you input the same command to multiple clients at the same time. But remember that you yourself must be inputting all the commands!

I cannot vouch for the ISBoxer/Innerspace programs though, I have not used them and I do not know whether they have some functions which would be against the rules. There is also the issue of us officially vouching for a specific program, as we cannot know whether this program will add some sort of illegitimate function in the future. It would hypothetically be pretty bad if I said that using "ISBoxer" is totally fine if they were to add some sort of illegitimate macro functions in the future, even though the program might be fine at the time of the comment being made. I hope you understand.




Well that looks promising, thanks for sharing that :) will still wait for someone who looks official tho/make a petition
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-02-23 13:55:42 UTC
Frankly I am curious as to why you don't just run both accounts in full screen windowed mode and swap between the two with alt+tab? Thats what I did before I got my second monitor and now I just run one on each screen in that mode and can slide my mouse easily between the two (perv joke in there...lol) and control both my characters one at a time.

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gfldex
#11 - 2012-02-23 14:19:36 UTC  |  Edited by: gfldex
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Frankly I am curious as to why you don't just run both accounts in full screen windowed mode and swap between the two with alt+tab? Thats what I did before I got my second monitor and now I just run one on each screen in that mode and can slide my mouse easily between the two (perv joke in there...lol) and control both my characters one at a time.


This looks totally legit to me. Given that EVE is not a competitive game at all and ISK can't buy you hired guns, it's totally not possible that you are pretty much forced to do the same to be competitive.

That a GM who is payed by a company that depends on subscriber money has no problem with having multiboxers comes to no surprise. Microtransactions would solve that problem but we can't have that. I wonder why.

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Joost Merc
Sapphire Roughneck's Industry
#12 - 2012-02-23 14:51:40 UTC
gfldex wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Frankly I am curious as to why you don't just run both accounts in full screen windowed mode and swap between the two with alt+tab? Thats what I did before I got my second monitor and now I just run one on each screen in that mode and can slide my mouse easily between the two (perv joke in there...lol) and control both my characters one at a time.


This looks totally legit to me. Given that EVE is not a competitive game at all and ISK can't buy you hired guns, it's totally not possible that you are pretty much forced to do the same to be competitive.

That a GM who is payed by a company that depends on subscriber money has no problem with having multiboxers comes to no surprise. Microtransactions would solve that problem but we can't have that. I wonder why.



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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#13 - 2012-02-23 15:36:28 UTC
gfldex wrote:
This looks totally legit to me. Given that EVE is not a competitive game at all and ISK can't buy you hired guns, it's totally not possible that you are pretty much forced to do the same to be competitive.

It depends on what you call competitive. I know a lot of people who only have a single account and do quite well for themselves.

I'm not one of those people.

gfldex wrote:
That a GM who is payed by a company that depends on subscriber money has no problem with having multiboxers comes to no surprise. Microtransactions would solve that problem but we can't have that. I wonder why.


Legal multiboxing allows people to perform tedious tasks with one account while having fun with another. I don't know many who LIKE hauling a freighter full of goods across 20 jumps. Being able to have one character make that trip while I do something interesting with another removes a LOT of tedium from the game and lets me get on with doing stuff I like.

Microtransactions started out all wrong in Eve and CCP has set them aside for the time being because of that.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-02-23 15:50:00 UTC
Ah I see...you are trying to control your accounts simultaneously. Pretty sure CCP is ok with it since there is more than one person in EvE doing it openly. Hell...if I wasn't a complete lazy ass right now I would find the site for a guy with a setup that has 15 monitors and he plays like 24 accounts at a time or something crazy like that. I think he is in Goonswarm and he has been seen flying entire fleets around in unison before. CCP hasn't banned him yet.

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Joost Merc
Sapphire Roughneck's Industry
#15 - 2012-02-23 18:32:40 UTC
Was trying to not open a petition and strech ccp's supprot team, buuuuut opened one now :D will post here the results
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-02-23 18:38:13 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Ah I see...you are trying to control your accounts simultaneously. Pretty sure CCP is ok with it since there is more than one person in EvE doing it openly. Hell...if I wasn't a complete lazy ass right now I would find the site for a guy with a setup that has 15 monitors and he plays like 24 accounts at a time or something crazy like that. I think he is in Goonswarm and he has been seen flying entire fleets around in unison before. CCP hasn't banned him yet.


https://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/

you mean this ?
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#17 - 2012-02-23 18:40:29 UTC
Joost Merc wrote:
Wacktopia wrote:
This guy didn't get banned so you're probably good to go but probably best to get an official answer on it.



I did laugh at that setup have to admit :D

So possibly programs are a nono, but double sided tape and a fairy washing up bottle is allll good


That guy claimed he was doing it manually, and asked the GM's if he could use software. They said yes, and he subsequently bought a server and came up with this:

http://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/

So theres your answer.

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Uriel Chinmay
Perkone
#18 - 2012-02-23 19:16:27 UTC
The problem with ISboxer is you're just an extension away from macro ratting, autopilot warp to 0 etc. Should be banned for imo.
Infinite Force
#19 - 2012-02-23 19:41:03 UTC
Joost Merc wrote:
So, i have heard a few people talking about this program for duel boxing on eve. Basicaly its a program which makes it easy to swap between accounts quickly on 1 monitor. This program also has a kind of mimic mouse on all accounts feature.

My question for a Dev, GM anyone with official information would be - Is this allowed or asking to get accounts banned?

I will state i have not used this program, and i certainly wont if its not allowed!

Yes, isBoxer / multi-boxing is allowed.

See here for reference w/ links to the old eve forum posts: http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1450356/page/1

Specific old forum post is here: http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1291641&page=10

GM post is 3rd one down.


Uriel Chinmay wrote:

The problem with ISboxer is you're just an extension away from macro ratting, autopilot warp to 0 etc. Should be banned for imo.

I do not wish to argue personal opinions on this issue, but the problem isn't with isBoxer, it's the automating of it - and you don't need isBoxer to macro as the GM above pointed out. You could, in theory, macro with just the G15 keyboard.

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Joost Merc
Sapphire Roughneck's Industry
#20 - 2012-02-23 19:44:41 UTC
Infinite Force wrote:
Joost Merc wrote:
So, i have heard a few people talking about this program for duel boxing on eve. Basicaly its a program which makes it easy to swap between accounts quickly on 1 monitor. This program also has a kind of mimic mouse on all accounts feature.

My question for a Dev, GM anyone with official information would be - Is this allowed or asking to get accounts banned?

I will state i have not used this program, and i certainly wont if its not allowed!

Yes, isBoxer / multi-boxing is allowed.

See here for reference w/ links to the old eve forum posts: http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1450356/page/1

Specific old forum post is here: http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1291641&page=10

GM post is 3rd one down.


Uriel Chinmay wrote:

The problem with ISboxer is you're just an extension away from macro ratting, autopilot warp to 0 etc. Should be banned for imo.

I do not wish to argue personal opinions on this issue, but the problem isn't with isBoxer, it's the automating of it - and you don't need isBoxer to macro as the GM above pointed out. You could, in theory, macro with just the G15 keyboard.




Thank you very much :)
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