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Issues thread for the new font on SiSi

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Mechael
Tribal Liberation Distribution and Retail
#21 - 2011-09-20 17:04:50 UTC
Just make sure that the standard eve greeting, o/ , salute , o7 , and cheer, \o/ all still work and look good. Kthanks.

Whether or not you win the game matters not.  It's if you bought it.

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#22 - 2011-09-20 18:19:02 UTC
Try adding an extra pixel in between all the characters. They seem sorta scrunched together.

Katrina Oniseki

Lucius Archibald
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2011-09-20 18:29:08 UTC
This new font is horrendous. I'm not sure I'll be able to stand playing the game for more than a few minutes at a time if it comes out anything like the devblog screenshots.

Some characters are too small, some too large, some too close together. The game font *needs* to be monospaced and scalable, how hard can that be? There's a multitude fantastic fonts already out there and available, why reinvent the wheel as a square rather than re-use one of the perfectly good ones already out there!
Sadaris
Sanguine Society
#24 - 2011-09-20 20:17:48 UTC
So how much money and time was wasted on this instead of real game problems?
Conventia Underking
Underking Family
Khimi Harar
#25 - 2011-09-20 20:22:17 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Also, see the menu screen:

"Show introduction movie on next login"
"Show Session-Change Timer"

"Only stack windows if Shift pressed"
Try to use existing info window if any (except if shift is pressed)"

If you can't decide on one way of capitalization, maybe it would be better to keep it in all caps.

For God; Salvation is Imperative, but not at the cost of our Humanity!

The Vitoc Problem - Conventia Underking

Varesk
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2011-09-20 22:26:17 UTC
sweet, instead of fixing i dont know DRONES or some other things that have been broke forever we get a new ******* font.

:cripes:
Dark Tobby
Doomheim
#27 - 2011-09-20 22:50:12 UTC
The new font is to sharp, it's hurtin my eyes.
WIll (<- love this font) the old font still be selectable?
It is a bit easier on my eyes..
Peter Drakon
Luminaire Traders and Builders
#28 - 2011-09-20 23:46:39 UTC
Currently in EVE, with the default options, I have a very hard time to read stuff. So I use a bit different color for background, have increased the menu font size to 13, and have set the font width option to expanded. It's better that way, but far, very far from what I could call readable. (I have glasses; have a big LCD monitor with 2048x1152 resolution.)

I see from the pictures that you have removed the font width option - and sadly I already see that this new font, while certanly better then the old one, will give me a hard time reading stuff again in EVE.

I guess there can be some technical difficulties to be able to choose from different fonts, but I ask you to

  • put back the option for font spacing (width, how you called it),
  • preferably enable to be able to set the font size too and
  • give us an option to set the font color too, not just the window colors.


(For me, light windows with dark, bigger fonts would be much better.)

Best regards,
Peter

Ps.: The 2 pictures show in the blog are not very good examples to be compared, because you didn't use the same background color and transparency values for the pictures.
IceGuerilla
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2011-09-21 01:36:23 UTC
Although at first I found the new font disgusting and nauseating, I'm pleased to report that after some time my opinion of it stayed exactly the same.
Athreya
YTM Corporation
#30 - 2011-09-21 03:36:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Athreya
I am Russian and never used Russian client because of horrible fonts here. It seems now English fonts became horrible too.

Idea: If you cannot make this font changeable, add new language English (old) with old fonts to language selector.
Shaira Skatan
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2011-09-21 04:34:03 UTC
Based on your escape menu screenshots, the font is much HARDER to read.

1. Character height/width ration appears wrong. IE. They look too skinny. While I wouldn't want the characters any wider than the old ones, as I value my horizontal screen real-estate, these characters just look squishy in the horizontal direction.

2. "h" looks like "n".

3. Most depressingly, I feel my eyes straining to read the words in the new font, and then a relative sense of comfort to look back at the old font...


Sorry to mock your hard work, but IMO you're just not there yet.
Jake Walker
Single Players
#32 - 2011-09-21 08:10:33 UTC
The new font is not enough technical, he is too big and looks too normal (like Arial..) and this font makes the GUI of EVE more looks like any other normal program on my computer, the special extraterrestrial feeling goes lost.

Please use furthermore in future a uppercased and more squared font, maybe you should only correct the mistakable chars.

Jake Walker EVE since 2004-02-25

Matariki Rain
Icecream Audit Office
#33 - 2011-09-21 08:58:59 UTC
It's 21 Sept, so I rebuilt my SiSi (Successfully! First time! :) ) to see more examples of the font in action. It looks like I was overly eager and will have a little more waiting before me.

When the test font does arrive I'll be particularly interested in:

  • the lowercase "l" ("L") alongside the capital "I" ("i") and numeral "1"
  • nullsec system names
  • financial accounts, showcasing the strike-through zero
  • paragraph text in item descriptions
  • chat windows showing standard punctuation and capitalisation, links (still bold and coloured?), someone bellowing in all-caps, and use of the "/me" emote.


You've said you're aware that the text is currently floating too high. Fixing that will make quite a difference to how we perceive the font, I think. At the moment, as well as the discomfort of the unfamiliar, the misalignments make the sample page look rough (not in a good way) and unprofessional, as well as seeming to cut off the top row of pixels in characters like the lower-case "f" which makes that look like an indecisive "t".

I'm keen to see an improved font. I support the use of mixed-case over all-caps for legibility in headings. (Brings another angle to nerfing supercaps.) My first impression is that, while the kerning doesn't seem to be too bad, the verticality of the font is going to take some getting used to. I support Arial Narrow and similar fonts for headings but not really for chunks of meant-to-be-read "text". That would be a fairly radical change at this stage, though.

One thing the example does show up is that it looks like you could do with an EVE writing style guide. It seems you've chosen title case for headings but either you're confused about which casing you're using for list items or different people have different ideas about what EVE considers are proper names, deserving of capitalisation. "Shift"? "Tactical Notifications" but "damage notifications". Sort this as early as possible: it saves a heap of time and fixes later. (And if you actually have a mixed-case mess on your hands that was previously hidden by being automatically all-capsed you have my sympathy.)
Zarniwoop VanHarl
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2011-09-21 09:02:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarniwoop VanHarl
CCP Guard wrote:
SiSi will have a new font in the next build, most likely tomorrow, September 21st.


Given the comments from some, you would think that the new font is already on SiSi.

Hopefully somebody will remember to let us know when we can see this new font for ourselves, and not just comment on screen pictures in the blog post.
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#35 - 2011-09-21 10:13:44 UTC
when this hits SiSi you should see a better version of the font than displayed in the esc menu screenshot :)

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VLAD VIRONS
Evolve Xcellence
#36 - 2011-09-21 11:33:22 UTC
Not "EVEish" enough, hope u work more on it.
BearUkraine
Omega Ultima
Dracarys.
#37 - 2011-09-21 14:04:06 UTC
Please add more front' sizes. It is impossible to play on big monitors (32"+) in 1920x1080. Try it and your eyes will be broken! I cant believe that it is so difficult.

Also to improve readability please add option to make all (or some) fronts bolded!

Hope I will be heard and somebody supports me.
hero honda
Perkone
Caldari State
#38 - 2011-09-22 03:40:16 UTC  |  Edited by: hero honda
about the ESC menu screen shot. Going form full caps to regular caps was a little bit of a shock but whats wrong with left mouse button in "escmenunew.jpg" there is an un-render-able char right next to left.
Darsain
#39 - 2011-09-23 09:28:39 UTC
The font presented doesn't suit EVE Online. It looks like a generic Windows font. In five minutes on myfonts.com I've found these two nice looking guys: Maza, Digital Sans EF (with a few modifications of noted "o0, G&" problem they could be a lot better choice)

If you'd spent there a little more time, with a smart tags searching, I'm sure you'd find a lot better solution than doing everything yourself in a font that doesn't really look good for a future internet spaceships.

But since you've already presented the new font, in what it seems like an advanced stage of work, I'm not that optimistic that you are going to do anything about that :) But at least I've tried. I guess I'll have to get used to EVE client having a typography of a windows app.
Hrug
Lutinari Syndicate
#40 - 2011-09-24 11:10:29 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
SiSi will have a new font in the next build, most likely tomorrow, September 21st.

...

Any updates on the date?