EVE General Discussion

Well that, what computer would take to move the eve at full settings in this kind of battles?, and also to record with fraps while... and without taking away the camera, close from your ship...

then?

Disclaimer : I know nothing ..

Just curious if it would be possible just to "stream download" all data in such battle .. and then render it afterwards ..

Finall result would be full interactive enviroment in 3D with the battle going on .. question is what kind of computer would handle it

So just scratch that..

A better question is, "What kind of server does it take to first properly relay said very hardware stressful battle to 2000+ international players so their computers can sync and render such a scene?"

As soon as this becomes feasible for the servers, maybe CCP can work on the client side hardware to software interaction so consumer computers can handle it.

My gaming PC isn't "state of the art" so to say (I couldn't justify paying more than $2000 just to play around in Eve and random first person shooters from time to time) but it's pretty damn good, and a 2000 man battle would overwhelm my system easily. I'm a computer systems engineer and build computers pretty much all types of user purchase, from home users to corporate office machines and I can tell you the game's graphics engine while not the most hardware intensive available wasn't exactly designed from the ground up with 2000 person battles in mind otherwise the game would have been made much differently.

I don't think CCP expected such fights to ever happen as often as they do which is why they just now came up with Time Dilation.

Im not talking about ''server lag'' or how reduce it... in this aspect DiTi do a excellent work
Im talking about ''graphic lag'' where the the principal involved element is the power of your computer. And how minimize her impact at minimal possible.

I think somehow everyone has missed the point of what the op is trying to say. So I will rephrase it for him.

He wants to know what system requirements would he need to be able to run EVE with all graphics set to high with 2000+ ships having it out with eachother whilst recording with fraps and maintaining a playable framerate (lets say 30)

Im sure that alot of high end desktops would handle this quite easily. My theory being that with 2000 ships in view you would probably be zoomed out a fair distance and at that distance alot of the fancy stuff doesnt get rendered (except shadows....the seem to bring my laptop to its knees no matter how far out i zoom)

More graphics memory would probably be the answer.

It does not matter. One of the most interesting things that CCP has to deal with is the ever increasing escalations brought on by the playing member base. No matter what kind of system or improvement CCP can make to the game players will bring more and more pilots into a battle. So if CCP does work out the specs needed for a PC that can handle 2000 pilot battle, the Alliances will eventually bring more then 2000 and so on and so forth. Just look at Time Dilation, last month people were praising it, yesterday it was pushed to the limit with the latest battle up north.

No. VRAM/GPU memory is not the answer. It simply isn't feasible for the game's engine for such battles to take place at a high FPS.

I have a very powerful computer. I play everything and anything at massive resolution and ultra details (sometimes I even edit files to push the settings past what they offer in the game menus) and usually have to cap my frame rate with vsync as to not cook my GPUs. Skyrim, Arkham City, L.A. Noire, Battlefield 3, just any game, doesn't matter which, maximum antialiasing/anisotropy/everything. 60 FPS.

Same with Eve. I sit at Jita 4-4 undock with 60 fps even on the busiest of days. Might be what, 600 or 700 ships around, 15 or 20 of which are shooting at eachother. No problem.

However, when you get to the 2000 ships all shooting at eachother at the same time there's tens of thousands of pixel shader calculations going on every millisecond. There's tens of thousands of physics calculations going on when ships fly. It's simply just way too much. Even the fastest of PCs get bogged down because of the overflow of information. Even if the processing cores are not over flooded, memory only has X amount of bandwidth.

People who don't know anything about computers always say the same things. I hear it all the time when I get called to some customer's house to do an upgrade.

"I WANNA PLAY ASSASSINS CREED ON MY PENTIUM 3. CAN'T YA JUST THROW A NICE GRAFIX CARD IN IT?"
"WELL I GOT 1 GIGABYTE OF RAM, THATS A LOT ISNT IT?"
Nevermind the fact that pretty much everything on a PC has a clock speed, bandwidth limitations, etc etc etc, THE GFX HAS 1GB IT CAN PLAY ERRYTHING LUL.

TLDR; The game wasn't exactly built specifically for 2000 man battles therefore the engine won't efficiently render them regardless of how bad ass your PC is. You might be able to render such a battle with "decent" FPS but it's not going to be pretty.

Mostly accurate, and no computer is ever going to make a 2000 man battle run smoothly on any settings but bare minimum. However, I do believe that Supreme Commander proved that extremely detailed rendering and computing is possible in real-time, so long as you have extremely good optimization.

If the engine could do it, I don't think it would take a huge amount of computer power to handle it, however the core engine is 10 years old now. The codebase is outdated to the point where w re-write is needed to bring it up to par.

Also, devs who are not being shackled to proprietary 3rd party technologies when they do write a new engine(*coughcoughnvidiacoughincarnacoughcough*)

Give them time, and hopefully enough money to hire a team who specializes in this, and a couple years after that we should eliminate those issues. Til then, when you upgrade, build around highest settings on the most recent game you play, and when the client can handle it you should be able to as well.

This would have been a slightly less insane idea back before they reintroduced engine trails. Only slightly less insane.

But seriously, as people have said. Chances are they don't have the servers set up to process that much data.

Or maybe they do. I don't know and I'm not going to pretend I have technical knowledge about a game I never worked on.

Either way, the kind of set up you would need to render it would look like a render farm, not a single computer.