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Kicking a corp member in space...

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Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-02-20 18:49:10 UTC
You can in fact kick someone while they are in space and while they are online. Seen it first hand. So take that GM!
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#22 - 2012-02-20 18:49:35 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Adriel Malakai wrote:
Headerman wrote:
Hi all,

Not for me, but what happens if a corp member needs to be kicked from corp and he doesn't dock up?

A petition was raised about it but came back saying it is within the scope of the game.New petition/different GM time, or normal answer?


I just confirmed this with several alts, and as long as the character in question does not have any roles (assigned or derived from an assigned title), you may kick them in space - even while they're still logged in.

This is mostly used on people corp killing, while they're in the middle of the gank. Since they're already engaged against what was a legal target (since they're in corp), and they don't get an aggression timer (since they're in corp), once they're kicked they get auto-CONCORDed without a warning. Fantastic game design right there folks...

EDIT: If I'm not mistaken this ability was put in either in Incursion or Incarna, I forget which. Either way, it was within the last year or so.


Hmm. So if they do have roles, you remove them, wait a day, then kick?

I thought the inability to kick someone while they were in space was due to Wars: you wait for the enemy to call primary on your bait ship, then kick him. Entire enemy fleet gets Concorded. Oops.


This would make sense then why the feature is there
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#23 - 2012-02-20 18:51:04 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
You can in fact kick someone while they are in space and while they are online. Seen it first hand. So take that GM!


i'm guessing this has something to do with roles then..
Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#24 - 2012-02-20 19:23:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Adriel Malakai
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Mag's
Azn Empire
#25 - 2012-02-20 20:03:20 UTC
GM Homonoia wrote:
To answer the follow up discussion; no, we still do not step in. However, I can say that we understand that this is a frustrating process and there are some internal discussions among senior members of the customer support department on this subject. Will this change? I do not know. Do we acknowledge that this is something that some of our customers are passionate about? Yes, we do and we do evaluate these issues on a regular basis.
There is an easy solution. An option to delay kick someone when they next go offline. That way they would be out come next DT.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#26 - 2012-02-20 20:21:57 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
You can in fact kick someone while they are in space and while they are online. Seen it first hand. So take that GM!

I've seen it done in such a way that a guy was concorded without warning (he was shooting his corpmates, got kicked during, and concord showed up and popped his ship)

They need to make it so you aren't a member of a corp until a legal session change occurs and you can be kicked from the corp in space, but it only takes effect on the next session change. This prevents overview confusion and unwarned concord attacks.

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#27 - 2012-02-20 20:26:38 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
You can in fact kick someone while they are in space and while they are online. Seen it first hand. So take that GM!

I've seen it done in such a way that a guy was concorded without warning (he was shooting his corpmates, got kicked during, and concord showed up and popped his ship)

They need to make it so you aren't a member of a corp until a legal session change occurs and you can be kicked from the corp in space, but it only takes effect on the next session change. This prevents overview confusion and unwarned concord attacks.

I've seen this just recently. Its rather ridiculous, that CCP says we can't yet it is done.
Solhild
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-02-20 21:15:22 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
You can in fact kick someone while they are in space and while they are online. Seen it first hand. So take that GM!

I've seen it done in such a way that a guy was concorded without warning (he was shooting his corpmates, got kicked during, and concord showed up and popped his ship)

They need to make it so you aren't a member of a corp until a legal session change occurs and you can be kicked from the corp in space, but it only takes effect on the next session change. This prevents overview confusion and unwarned concord attacks.

I've seen this just recently. Its rather ridiculous, that CCP says we can't yet it is done.


Sounds good to me, concord lols.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#29 - 2012-02-20 21:37:50 UTC
arcca jeth wrote:
I recently encountered a scammer, thank you recruiting channel, who joined corp with the intent to scam. When I checked, he was in his pod floating in space in Sobaseki. Once I realized he could not be kicked while he was in space, I was further irritated by this stupid feature. Sure the solution would be to pop him, if finding him was that easy. Can the pod even be scanned down? Not sure didn't try. Nonetheless, the scam was detected from the beginning, and the toon, once called out, shortly destroyed his toon. This just leaves people open to exploit the system the way it is, which does not seem to have any real justification for being there.


Pods can be scanned. Ive seen two cases where a WT that aggressed tried to avoid destruction by logging, only to have their e-warped pod scanned out and popped.

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Doc Severide
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-02-20 23:07:44 UTC
The solution seems simple. Everyone have a group hug. No one is ever kicked from corp....
Jita Alt666
#31 - 2012-02-20 23:43:03 UTC
About 24 months ago I had an alt who joined a corp, awoxed the corps mining fleet then cloaking up in local and attempting to slow boat 94au. I would log the alt on at the end of each downtime, and the alt would keep slow boating until the next downtime. After about 15 days (can't remember) I got some correspondence from GM which I can not discuss here but resulted in me logging the alt off long enough for the alt to be removed from the corp.
Hemmo Paskiainen
#32 - 2012-02-21 01:05:01 UTC
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eve needs too be 100% risk free these days.... stay in empire if you want 100% safety.

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NaturalBeast
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-02-21 03:29:28 UTC
GM Homonoia wrote:
To answer the follow up discussion; no, we still do not step in. However, I can say that we understand that this is a frustrating process and there are some internal discussions among senior members of the customer support department on this subject. Will this change? I do not know. Do we acknowledge that this is something that some of our customers are passionate about? Yes, we do and we do evaluate these issues on a regular basis.


This policy should NEVER change. Keep the sand for the players.

The solution is very simple. Strip the guy of all rights, pod him to empire and then sell his loot. C;mon this ain't rocket science.
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-02-21 03:50:44 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
i like bananas.....


eve needs too be 100% risk free these days.... stay in -A- space if you want 100% safety.



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Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#35 - 2012-02-21 06:18:43 UTC
Mag's wrote:
GM Homonoia wrote:
To answer the follow up discussion; no, we still do not step in. However, I can say that we understand that this is a frustrating process and there are some internal discussions among senior members of the customer support department on this subject. Will this change? I do not know. Do we acknowledge that this is something that some of our customers are passionate about? Yes, we do and we do evaluate these issues on a regular basis.
There is an easy solution. An option to delay kick someone when they next go offline. That way they would be out come next DT.


Sounds reasonable to me. Player to be kicked is auto-kicked at next downtime even if they refuse to dock up.

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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#36 - 2012-02-21 08:48:02 UTC
GM Homonoia wrote:
To answer the follow up discussion; no, we still do not step in. However, I can say that we understand that this is a frustrating process and there are some internal discussions among senior members of the customer support department on this subject. Will this change? I do not know. Do we acknowledge that this is something that some of our customers are passionate about? Yes, we do and we do evaluate these issues on a regular basis.


Player who do not will dock or log off because he do not want that someone is going to kick him out of corp is clearly exploiting game mechanics, maybe GM could ban him for a day.
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#37 - 2012-02-21 10:09:40 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:
Hmmm I thought you could kick nowerdays because of supercap pilots...

If you can't kick him at next down time, escalate the petition.



I thought you could these days.

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Tiberius Sunstealer
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-02-21 11:03:06 UTC
How about making a kick take affect at DT if the pilot cannot be kicked anytime before it?

Wow. That was hard. I can see why CCP haven't fixed it yet.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#39 - 2012-02-21 12:11:55 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
GM Homonoia wrote:
To answer the follow up discussion; no, we still do not step in. However, I can say that we understand that this is a frustrating process and there are some internal discussions among senior members of the customer support department on this subject. Will this change? I do not know. Do we acknowledge that this is something that some of our customers are passionate about? Yes, we do and we do evaluate these issues on a regular basis.


Player who do not will dock or log off because he do not want that someone is going to kick him out of corp is clearly exploiting game mechanics, maybe GM could ban him for a day.



No, they clearly just don't want to dock. There is nothing in the rules that says that you MUST dock up. Stop being a jerk.

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GM Homonoia
Game Master Retirement Home
#40 - 2012-02-22 16:08:52 UTC
A small update. As I said earlier; these types of issues are continuously being reviewed and I can add a small addendum to the policy I stated earlier.

We will still not intervene, however should this tactic and behavior enter the realm of "griefing/harassment", we may opt to step in. Note that someone simply refusing to leave for several days does not fall into this category. Things need to go pretty far for us to classify this tactic as such, but we do acknowledge that in some rare, extreme cases an evaluation of that particular individual case may be warranted.

In other words; feel free to use the tactic, but don't be an utter and total ***.

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