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Kicking a corp member in space...

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Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-02-20 10:51:24 UTC
Hi all,

Not for me, but what happens if a corp member needs to be kicked from corp and he doesn't dock up?

A petition was raised about it but came back saying it is within the scope of the game.New petition/different GM time, or normal answer?

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Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#2 - 2012-02-20 10:54:15 UTC
Hmmm I thought you could kick nowerdays because of supercap pilots...

If you can't kick him at next down time, escalate the petition.
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-02-20 10:55:03 UTC
kk thanks dood

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GM Homonoia
Game Master Retirement Home
#4 - 2012-02-20 11:07:09 UTC
You can kick a corp mate when he is docked or offline. Game masters will never remove a player from a corporation on request because they stay in space. Filing a new petition will not change this.

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Sakurako Kimino
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-02-20 13:20:35 UTC
GM Homonoia wrote:
You can kick a corp mate when he is docked or offline. Game masters will never remove a player from a corporation on request because they stay in space. Filing a new petition will not change this.


got to ask this and only cos i know that your tell the truth, if player x can log on before someone with the power to kick them and remain online till dt would you guys then remove player

i.e

corp ceo - player x please dock so we can remove you from corp as you no longer welocome for doing x
player x - sorry not going to dock or log off

next day repeat

would the gm then remove him from the corp

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Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-02-20 13:24:34 UTC
Sakurako Kimino wrote:
GM Homonoia wrote:
You can kick a corp mate when he is docked or offline. Game masters will never remove a player from a corporation on request because they stay in space. Filing a new petition will not change this.


got to ask this and only cos i know that your tell the truth, if player x can log on before someone with the power to kick them and remain online till dt would you guys then remove player

i.e

corp ceo - player x please dock so we can remove you from corp as you no longer welocome for doing x
player x - sorry not going to dock or log off

next day repeat

would the gm then remove him from the corp


GM Homonoia wrote:
You can kick a corp mate when he is docked or offline. Game masters will never remove a player from a corporation on request because they stay in space. Filing a new petition will not change this.
Luba Cibre
Global Song Setup
#7 - 2012-02-20 13:25:36 UTC
Sakurako Kimino wrote:
GM Homonoia wrote:
You can kick a corp mate when he is docked or offline. Game masters will never remove a player from a corporation on request because they stay in space. Filing a new petition will not change this.


got to ask this and only cos i know that your tell the truth, if player x can log on before someone with the power to kick them and remain online till dt would you guys then remove player

i.e

corp ceo - player x please dock so we can remove you from corp as you no longer welocome for doing x
player x - sorry not going to dock or log off

next day repeat

would the gm then remove him from the corp

Just pod that ******.

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Cylide Askald
Chroma Corp
Prismatic Legion
#8 - 2012-02-20 13:28:09 UTC
Reminds me of the story when a corp robber stayed somewhere cloaked and that way could not be kicked from the corp he just robbed.
He refused to dock until they gave him a medal.

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Sakurako Kimino
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-02-20 13:31:21 UTC
Luba Cibre wrote:
Sakurako Kimino wrote:
GM Homonoia wrote:
You can kick a corp mate when he is docked or offline. Game masters will never remove a player from a corporation on request because they stay in space. Filing a new petition will not change this.


got to ask this and only cos i know that your tell the truth, if player x can log on before someone with the power to kick them and remain online till dt would you guys then remove player

i.e

corp ceo - player x please dock so we can remove you from corp as you no longer welocome for doing x
player x - sorry not going to dock or log off

next day repeat

would the gm then remove him from the corp

Just pod that ******.


that is ture if you can find them not always able to what if he stays cloaked

and to cebraio my case is based on the player refusing to dock or log while your online we can't play eve 23/7 and he might be able to log on before you or anyone with role what do you do then if he is cloaked and decloaks to kill blues?


eve is about sin

Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-02-20 13:36:45 UTC
Sakurako Kimino wrote:

and to cebraio my case is based on the player refusing to dock or log while your online we can't play eve 23/7 and he might be able to log on before you or anyone with role what do you do then if he is cloaked and decloaks to kill blues?

I know what your case is based on, but isn't that question already answered in the GM's post? They are surely aware of the fact that this could be abused as you described it, but they seem to have their own reasons and will not interfere in that case.
GM Homonoia
Game Master Retirement Home
#11 - 2012-02-20 13:40:39 UTC
To answer the follow up discussion; no, we still do not step in. However, I can say that we understand that this is a frustrating process and there are some internal discussions among senior members of the customer support department on this subject. Will this change? I do not know. Do we acknowledge that this is something that some of our customers are passionate about? Yes, we do and we do evaluate these issues on a regular basis.

Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master
Hroya
#12 - 2012-02-20 15:03:05 UTC
GM Homonoia wrote:
To answer the follow up discussion; no, we still do not step in. However, I can say that we understand that this is a frustrating process and there are some internal discussions among senior members of the customer support department on this subject. Will this change? I do not know. Do we acknowledge that this is something that some of our customers are passionate about? Yes, we do and we do evaluate these issues on a regular basis.



If i recall correct, before the time of supers ( yeah the good old days) members requested to dock up so they could be kicked from the corp were obligated to do so. Failing to comply to the request resulted in a GM intervention.

Granted, upholding that intervention nowadays would be a significant increase in workload no doubt.



You go your corridor but.
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-02-20 15:46:41 UTC
GM Homonoia wrote:
To answer the follow up discussion; no, we still do not step in. However, I can say that we understand that this is a frustrating process and there are some internal discussions among senior members of the customer support department on this subject. Will this change? I do not know. Do we acknowledge that this is something that some of our customers are passionate about? Yes, we do and we do evaluate these issues on a regular basis.

Don't talk with the CS department, shoot a memo up the chain to the developers. Request they implement and allow members to be kicked at any time, regardless of the circumstances. Set it so that if someone tries it during a wardec to avoid losing a fight the aggro extends for 30 minutes and requires 30 minutes to be accepted to corp (to avoid the on site jumpers cause they were not flashy red before a victim gets owned, attacker turns red but does not get wardec priviledges to attack for 30 minutes, if victim is still hasn't noticed...thats their problem). That fixes alot of issues and less petitions a GM has to deal with.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#14 - 2012-02-20 15:48:56 UTC
I can't help but think we'd be better off to simply allow people to be kicked whenever, but for this to have a delay before it takes effect. Say something on the order of 48 hours, or perhaps a week.

That would seem to be a fair solution for both sides. Sort of like giving them notice, with the option available for the person being kicked to make it effective sooner if desired.

It also seems more "corporate mentality" and (pardon the phrase) realistic.

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TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-02-20 15:50:01 UTC
came here to say pod him but was beaten to it
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#16 - 2012-02-20 16:25:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
I propose the following change to the game mechanics:

A corp member with the power to kick can put in a Kick Order. If the player is in space, the order is not carried out, but remains in the system "pending the member docking or logging off". As soon as the member does one of those things, the member is automatically kicked. Of course down time logs everyone, so that will activate all pending Kick Orders.

Alternatives: the Kick Order activates when the member has a session change, enters warp, or cloaks.

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BeanBagKing
The Order of Atlas
#17 - 2012-02-20 16:31:52 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
came here to say pod him but was beaten to it


One of many reasons I think cloaking should be balanced. Someone like me that has no problem being up for downtime would be impossible to kick. I log in, cloak up in a safespot, wait for downtime. Servers go down, I start spamming the login button until the servers come up, soon as they do I'm in space and I cloak up again. Nobody can ever find me.

Unless their CEO has the time to stay up and spam the login button as well, I'm not getting kicked. Even then it's a question of if he can get in and get through the CEO menu to kick me fast enough before I'm in game and in space again (probably not). It's a really annoying grief tactic I had used against my last corp.

The only thing you can do is add him to watchlist, wait for his internet to randomly disconnect him one day, and then kick him.
Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#18 - 2012-02-20 17:39:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Adriel Malakai
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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#19 - 2012-02-20 18:27:34 UTC
Adriel Malakai wrote:
Headerman wrote:
Hi all,

Not for me, but what happens if a corp member needs to be kicked from corp and he doesn't dock up?

A petition was raised about it but came back saying it is within the scope of the game.New petition/different GM time, or normal answer?


I just confirmed this with several alts, and as long as the character in question does not have any roles (assigned or derived from an assigned title), you may kick them in space - even while they're still logged in.

This is mostly used on people corp killing, while they're in the middle of the gank. Since they're already engaged against what was a legal target (since they're in corp), and they don't get an aggression timer (since they're in corp), once they're kicked they get auto-CONCORDed without a warning. Fantastic game design right there folks...

EDIT: If I'm not mistaken this ability was put in either in Incursion or Incarna, I forget which. Either way, it was within the last year or so.


Hmm. So if they do have roles, you remove them, wait a day, then kick?

I thought the inability to kick someone while they were in space was due to Wars: you wait for the enemy to call primary on your bait ship, then kick him. Entire enemy fleet gets Concorded. Oops.

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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#20 - 2012-02-20 18:47:25 UTC
I recently encountered a scammer, thank you recruiting channel, who joined corp with the intent to scam. When I checked, he was in his pod floating in space in Sobaseki. Once I realized he could not be kicked while he was in space, I was further irritated by this stupid feature. Sure the solution would be to pop him, if finding him was that easy. Can the pod even be scanned down? Not sure didn't try. Nonetheless, the scam was detected from the beginning, and the toon, once called out, shortly destroyed his toon. This just leaves people open to exploit the system the way it is, which does not seem to have any real justification for being there.
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