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Choosing a decent NPC corporation
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Sei Minuet
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-09-19 00:26:43 UTC
I have been searching in several places to find out what factions different NPC corporations will send a player against in an attempt to minimize my faction standing losses with the 4 empire factions. Is there a way to find out what factions NPC corporations will send you up against? I'd rather go up against only pirates, and I always seem to get offered another faction mission before the 4 hour waiting time is up before I can lose agent standing.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#2 - 2011-09-19 00:44:34 UTC
If you're looking to minimize all faction standing changes, I think you're out of luck. Every corp is going to give you some sort of anti-faction mission from time to time. The various faction military corps will do so more frequently ofc.

To give you a basic idea of what to expect, the factions align like so:

Caldari+Amarr vs Gallente + Minmatar

A lot of the missions can be completed without incurring any significant standings loss. Shooting structures in missions typically incurrs a large standing penalty.

Another way to minimze faction missions is to use more than one agent. This way you can continue to mission even if you get more than one undesireable mission offer within 4 hours from the same agent. If your local area does not have more than 1 agent that suits you, you may want to relocate.

For example, Aokinen constelation in Black Rise region has 3 or 4 level 4 Caldari Navy agents within 3 jumps of each other.

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Sei Minuet
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-09-19 01:15:13 UTC
All right, that's what I was afraid of. I'll have to find a good spot to mission with other L3 agents around then. Thanks for the reply!
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-09-19 03:45:07 UTC
Most Anti Empire Faction encounter missions will give negative standing hit for aggression and another hit for ship kill. If there's a structure needing to be destroyed in the mission objective, you'll also get a negative standing hit for that too.

You'll also incur both positive and negative derived standings towards the other Factions for completing Storyline missions.

To minimize negative Faction standing gains, You can just decline all Anti Empire encounter missions and bounce to each Faction and complete a set of missions (16 + storyline).

If you're really worried about having or getting negative Faction standings, check out the http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Faction_Standing_Repair_Plan

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#5 - 2011-09-19 05:49:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
I mostly do missions for Amarr and Caldari, so the Gallente and Minmatar are not especially fond of me. However, I do decline all player faction missions (look for a faction icon in the mission briefing).

Still, my faction drops, as I do accept some storylines, and I like to do the Caldari epic arc Penumbra which forces me to kill Gallente. As penance, I do Sisters of EVE missions until I've done enough storylines to bring my Gallente and Mimatar standing back up to about -2. SoE LP store items sell well too.

As for what NPC corps to choose, some suggestions:
* Corps that are required to have standing with for the epic arcs.
* Corps with a lot of the types and locations of agents you prefer.
* Corps that run local and / or major trade hubs, for trading discounts.
* Corps that give you datacores you want.
* Corps that have good reprocessing / refining facilities, especially in all player faction regions.
* Corps that have good selection of items you want in their loyalty point store.

Example of my favorites:
* Amarr - Ministry of Internal Order (epic), Carthum Conglomerate, Emperor Family (Amarr)
* Caldari - Hyasyoda, Expert Distribution (epic + refining, but no level 4 hisec security agent), Caldari Navy (Jita)
* Other - Sisters of EVE (standing adjustment + LP + refining)
Ione Hawke
Darkness Industries
#6 - 2011-09-19 10:03:57 UTC
Sei Minuet wrote:
I have been searching in several places to find out what factions different NPC corporations will send a player against in an attempt to minimize my faction standing losses with the 4 empire factions. Is there a way to find out what factions NPC corporations will send you up against? I'd rather go up against only pirates, and I always seem to get offered another faction mission before the 4 hour waiting time is up before I can lose agent standing.



Simply decline missions where you end up shooting faction NPCs. I believe you can decline 1 mission / agent/ hour without incuring a standing penalty.

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-09-19 10:58:27 UTC
You can decline 1 mission per Agent every 4 hours without incurring a standing hit.

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foksieloy
Rockets ponies and rainbows
#8 - 2011-09-19 11:14:18 UTC
If you never shoot a faction ship/structure your standing with a nation can never drop below -5.0 which means you can enter that factions space.

Disclaimer: I do not actually play this game, I just forum warrior.
gfldex
#9 - 2011-09-19 11:16:21 UTC
Sisters of EVE will give you the least standing hits. Fixing standings is not much of an issue tho. There are other things to worry about.

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Sei Minuet
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-09-19 16:28:39 UTC
I do decline, but sometimes get another faction mission within that four hour period. The agent corporation I was using for missions had another same-level agent 7 jumps away, and that was a little bit of a pain to do. I think I'll try some Ministry of Internal Order missions.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#11 - 2011-09-19 17:22:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Sei Minuet wrote:
I do decline, but sometimes get another faction mission within that four hour period. The agent corporation I was using for missions had another same-level agent 7 jumps away, and that was a little bit of a pain to do. I think I'll try some Ministry of Internal Order missions.
This is why people like to mission for corps with multiple agents, especially in the same system (even better is the same station).

I have standing with so many corps that if I can't mission for one, it is a simple matter to mission for another corp for a few hours until the 4 hour timer expires.

Note that faction standing takes the place of your personal standing with a corp when your faction standing is higher. With say a 7.0 faction standing, you can run level 4 missions with any corp in that faction.
Wa'roun
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-09-19 19:29:20 UTC
SoE missions raise all empire factions but last I remember, L4 SoE are all in low sec.
Sei Minuet
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2011-09-20 02:14:31 UTC
I'm not on L4 missions yet. I've been playing less than a month, and just started on L3s.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#14 - 2011-09-20 16:30:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Wa'roun wrote:
SoE missions raise all empire factions but last I remember, L4 SoE are all in low sec.
Wrong on both counts.

SoE are slightly negative to Amarr (-0.6) and Caldari (-0.15), but not very much (compared to say Galente to Caldari is -5.0).

There is a level 4 SoE security (combat) agent in Osmon II - Moon 1 (0.7 sec), The Forge.
Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
#15 - 2011-09-20 16:47:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Kilrayn
Removing possibly incorrect information. Don't want to be spreading false information Ugh

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Sei Minuet
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-09-22 15:19:46 UTC
Ah, thanks. I didn't realize it would stop offering eventually. That's definitely incentive to stick around and keep declining, and even take an agent standing hit every so often just to decline and have that happen. I have been running mostly for Sarum Family, but I think I'll swap to Ministry of Internal Order and then do SoE whenever I need to.
Name Family Name
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2011-09-22 15:35:01 UTC
Kilrayn wrote:
Little knows mission fact: The more you decline a mission, the less likely that agents is to offer it again. This why my agents don't offer me factions anymore. Just decline and be willing to either accept/quit or move to another agent.



Got any Source for that?

From personal experience, I can't confirm that. I decline all but a handfull of missions but couldn't observe any rise in the frequency of missions I don't decline (which should be the case, if above is true).
Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
#18 - 2011-09-22 15:43:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Kilrayn
Name Family Name wrote:
Kilrayn wrote:
Ugh



Got any Source for that?

From personal experience, I can't confirm that. I decline all but a handfull of missions but couldn't observe any rise in the frequency of missions I don't decline (which should be the case, if above is true).


I could, I suppose, go back to my old agents and document what is offered, though getting an accurate sample size would take quite a bit of time. But I can assure you, they stopped offering faction missions (or perhaps the change of offering is so low, it never comes up).

inb4: anecdotal is best dotal - I have heard others in-game say this as well. But again, proving this with hard data will take time/work.

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Name Family Name
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2011-09-22 17:33:06 UTC
Kilrayn wrote:

I could, I suppose, go back to my old agents and document what is offered, though getting an accurate sample size would take quite a bit of time. But I can assure you, they stopped offering faction missions (or perhaps the change of offering is so low, it never comes up).

inb4: anecdotal is best dotal - I have heard others in-game say this as well. But again, proving this with hard data will take time/work.



Probably a thread in Missions and Complexes might help - may do that later just out of curiosity. All I can say is that I've never accepted a single anti-faction mission during the past three years, yet I regularily get some.

Admittedly, my sample size may be a bit small as I only run missions very casually and when I'm not actively playing eve, so it's probably 4-5 a week (two accounts with access to the agent, but as I said, there's only 5 missions I accept).
Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
#20 - 2011-09-23 14:27:17 UTC
For the sake of learning (and to make sure we're giving accurate information to new payers Big smile), I've decided to take a week or two to do some serious mission running to see if we can't get a more definitive answer. I'll be recording what mission is offered as well as whether I accept/decline etc. I'll also be making a thread in missions and complexes to see if I can't get a few other pilots to also collect some data.

I'll post some more specific info in that thread once I've decided on an acceptable method of testing.

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