EVE General Discussion

this troll thread has really brought about some hilarious responses. after all the above mentioned, this is also a balance issue. high sec wtz autopilot would make suicide ganking more difficult as you could only scan one side of a gate (outgoing only)

I support this with the caveat that the run mission AI shoot those who steal loot from the mission runner.

I think it's important that a game like Eve do things to reward players who actually pay attention to the game. Autopiloting SHOULD take longer than manual control, if for no other reason than to penalize people who want to start something and walk away from the computer.

I feel like people are forgetting that this is a GAME. You're supposed to PLAY a game, not set up a mechanism by which the game plays itself for you. It's like people want to play chess by setting up their computer to stand in for them.

I feel lucky CCP has no jurisdiction on how I can fly a business jet. I can therefore activate the auto-pilot.... and assist the flight attendant in doing the coffee ...

People don't like it when you talk about taking away any advantage they gain by using hacks.

^^ This is THE point. You want to change the game mechanic out of laziness and nothing else. Even I will admit there would be times where a WTZ autopilot out be wonderful (flying a Fenrir comes to mind) but if it were permitted it would just promote more laziness. Ships like the Tornado are good for dealing with people not wanting to be at the keyboard, and even I think those are overpowered.

Recently someone got popped with 15 PLEX in their cargo in an unarmored industrial because they were on autopilot and all I can say is 'too bad, so sad'. You were lazy and you just lost your cargo. You want to be 'safe'? Stay at the keyboard.

if your afk what do you care if it takes 10min or 20min, you're not there

Little known Eve-lore fact: submarines in space are a side effect of your ship's warp core.
You'll find it right there somewhere in the lore-wiki.

It ain't hacks! It's python injection! :D

We did not always have warp-to-0km in EVE. Originally, the closest you could warp to any destination was 15km away. Players eventually figured out that they could get around this by placing a bookmark 15km behind the object they are warping to, and then warp to that bookmark. These bookmarks were called "instas". Instas gave players a significant advantage in the game, especially in null and low sec. They allowed you to move quickly and safely (as you would no longer have to worry about solo/small gang gate camps which depended upon catching players 15km off the gate). Thus instas soon became a requirement for survival in low sec and null sec.

Now the problem with instas is that in order to be able to warp to any celestial, from any celestial at 0km, you need to have n * (n-1) instas, where n is the number of celestials in a system. Now if you consider that you can copy bookmarks, you will realize that sets of instas were bought and sold on the old escrow system (contracts didn't exist yet). So what you had were a large number of players sitting in Jita copying thousands of bookmarks each constantly.

To put it bluntly, the lag was unbearable. Bookmarks occupied over 80% of the database. If you DARED to open your "people and places" window, you would be lagged for several minutes. Some people report being lagged out for 20 minutes or longer. Jita lag caused horrendous module lag for a system where no combat occurs - 30 seconds at least on the best of days. Usually 2-3 minutes. Basically the lag got so bad, that CCP made a call to arms - they came to the players and asked them for player suggestions to solve the insta problem. The solution that was decided on was to simply make warp-to-0km an official game mechanic.

However, CCP limited this functionality by prohibiting the use of auto-pilot with warp-to-0km. THey felt that this would allow players to travel through lowsec with 100% immunity, and not give "at the keyboard" players any advantage over AFK players.

This is the reason why AFK warp-to-0km will never come into the game - warp-to-0km was only introduced because players found a way to do it on their own and it was killing the server. But players could only do it if they were at their keyboard. CCP didn't actually want warp-to-0km, so they only did the minimal amount of changes needed to solve the problem of insta bookmarks.