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How to find the corp that is right for you.

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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#1 - 2011-10-02 23:38:13 UTC
This post was originally made in a different thread to answer a question regarding this subject. The post however does not really belong there thus im moving it to a new thread,which also will allow others to add things that can be helpful when someone is looking to join a corp.

Someone asked how you find a good corp and i have not seen a post that actually covers this yet. Everyone will have different ways and opinions on how to find the right corp for them,so please dont take what i say as the only,or even correct way.

I was extremely lucky and have been in my first and only corp since day one,but after years of recruiting i have gotten a rather good idea on what people look for,what a recruiter will be looking for,and how the information can be found.

Since this is aimed towards new players i will do my best to cover what you want can do to make sure a corp is a good fit for you.

How do i find a corp?

There are several ways to find a corp,some are luck,some rely on you actually searching.

1. The recruitment channel. Personally i avoid the recruitment channel like the plague. Its very good for new corps but its also very messy,to much smack talk,and you have to put up with hours of spam.
But if you decide to give it a try this is my advice. First off block anyone who spams their ads several times in a row,or within a short amount of time (a decent spammer waits 10-15 minutes between each ad atleast).
Look for people who are sitting small chatting. Dont be afraid to join in on the conversation they are having.
Do NOT advertise your self. Your asking to get spammed by convo invites.

2. The forums. This is the one i prefer to use. You will still have to spend hours reading trough posts that seems the same,but you have to learn to read trough the lines. Is it written in a humoristic way? Does it look like its careless? Does it sound to good to be true? (If the last one occurs thats most likely the case). Bump your own post several times during the next couple of days (but remember to follow the forum rules) and make sure as many recruits as possible can see it.
Try to include something about your self,make your post more personal. Im not saying go all out like "I like to read Harry Potter and i have a collie named Lassie" just to make that clear. But dont make it to shallow either.

As an example "2 mill sp caldari pilot,looking for low sec or 0.0,post here"

An ad like that makes me (personally just close the thread and move on.
Now lets try to ad in something that tells the recruiter more about the person.

"Im a 2 mill sp caldari player. Im interested in exploring low sec or potentially 0.0 but i would appriciate some guidance since i am still new. I am however capable of doing my own research,i just want to know that if i have a question,someone will try to help me if they can. Im in my mid 20's,got plenty of time to play due to working from home so i have no problem meeting any requierments regarding online time and operations. Thank you for your interest"

This is the kind of attitude i would be looking for in an ad and this would get a reply from me,even if im fairly sure he would not be interested,but he deserved a free bump,which will help him out.

3. Loosing your first ship. Believe it or not but even if someone just blew up your ship it does not mean that they are a bad person. Start off by looking at their corp info,then do a google search and see if you can find their recruitment ads,posts they have made on the forums,or even their KB.If it looks like something you could be interested in,contact the person who blew up your ship. Make it clear that you are not looking to whine but explain to him that you are new and that you are interested in learning the game.
In most cases you will be asked to come back when you have more sp,or you will just get laughed at and convo closed,but in some cases you might end up finding a really good corp this way.

4. Random person mining in a belt,talking in local,in a WH,or even just flying a cool looking ship. Follow the steps listed above. Find information about them,then contact their official recruiter or CEO.

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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#2 - 2011-10-02 23:39:01 UTC  |  Edited by: NightCrawler 85
I have found a corp i want to look into,what do i do?

1. If a recruiter asks you what you want to do in the game,dont be ashamed to tell them that you dont know yet.
Most older Eve players do understand that it takes you a long time just to understand how much you can do in the game,and when you start to get an idea,you often change your path several times.

2. Personalety. The recruiter(s) normally reflect the personalety you will find from the general corp members. If you have a recruiter that does their best to talk to you,try to actually get to know you,and have a sense of humor,there is a big chanse that the rest of the corp members have the same attitude. (There is always exeptions ofc)
If the recruiter(s) appears careless and just asks the basic questions like "what do you fly?when can you be online?" and so on its a good chanse that you will find your self in a large corp,but not a corp with a good social atmosphere. (Again there is always exeptions )
This however is something that depends highly on what you are looking for. Some people prefer to have corps where you feel close to other people,some dont really care that much.

3. Look at a corps age. If its a new corp its a high chanse that it will be gone within a month or two. But dont just say no to any recruiter who comes from a young corp. Listen to them,see if they have a clue about what they are doing (irealize that as a new player you wont know what running a corp in Eve involves,but basic leadership is the same)
With an old corp you might run into the issue of not feeling as a part of the group. In this case just be patient. Give them time to get to know you,and trust you. Remember that Eve players,especially the older ones,are mostly so paranoid that they wouldent let their own grandmother into their corp Smile
Its not personal,give it time and you will be glaring at the new guy as well Lol

4. Forums. So many people hate reading corp forums but if a corp has a forum its a good indication that they are active and willing to keep open discussions regarding corp issues.

5. Member count. A corps member count can be over 100 members but how do you know that all those people are active Ask the recruiter weather or not inactive players are removed from the corp,and if so how often. Killboards might give you a good idea of active members when your looking at a PVP corp but if your looking for an all around corp,or a carebear corp,this is not an accurate place to look.

6. If you are homosexual,deaf/mute,speak english as your second language or similar ask the recruiter how the corp feels about it. You do not want to place your self in a situation where you feel uncomfterbale or unfairly treated because of something along these lines. Most will not have any issues with any of these,but if your deaf you might have some trouble finding a serius PVP corp due to the high requierments for voice.

7. Ask if they have a public channel and ask if its ok that you hang around there for a couple of days. Dont be suprised if there is few people talking in it,most stick to their corp chats,but this will give you a good idea about how many active members they have at what times,and how their relations are with other corps,and former members If people leave on good terms its normally a good indication that nothing drastic happend.

8. Do not join the first corp that is willing to accept you! Talk around and look at other options as well. Recruits are always in high demand so you will have options.

9. Think about a recruiter as a telemarketer. Its our job to sell the corp to you,and many will straigh out lie to get a recruit. Take your time with the recruiter and potentially the members of the corp,and be patient.

I think that about covers it. Im sure people can think about more things to add but i hope this can be of some help Smile

Sorry for the long post but its a lot to include.

Regards,
NightCrawler
Vladkar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-10-03 01:08:47 UTC
Hey, thanks for the great post. As a new player currently looking for a good corp, I appreciate the advice.

Now hopefully I can put some of these tips to good use :)
Skyly
Baba Yagas
The Initiative.
#4 - 2011-10-03 10:24:13 UTC
Seems like a decent guide.

I'd add a few bits about avoiding potential recruitment scams.

I.e.

If a corp asks you for any ISK or to hand over any assets during recruitment then give it a wide berth.

Perform a quick forum search about the corp / alliance you are looking to join and see what shows up. If there's lots of threads that read "Spaceship Corp 1 are scammers, they accept you then kill you" then you should read more detail and investigate. Always bear in mind it could be a disgruntled ex corp mate, so investigate more thoroughly before disregarding the corp entirely.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-10-03 16:47:07 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Skyly wrote:
Seems like a decent guide.

I'd add a few bits about avoiding potential recruitment scams.

I.e.

If a corp asks you for any ISK or to hand over any assets during recruitment then give it a wide berth.

Perform a quick forum search about the corp / alliance you are looking to join and see what shows up. If there's lots of threads that read "Spaceship Corp 1 are scammers, they accept you then kill you" then you should read more detail and investigate. Always bear in mind it could be a disgruntled ex corp mate, so investigate more thoroughly before disregarding the corp entirely.


Usually corps that practice these tactics are in an alliance that start with the following 5 letters: G O O N S

But on OP, indeed a very good post on how to find a corp. If only it was there when I started. Would have saved me some shifting corps.

BTW as a corp recruiter I do find some stuff that I can reflect too / do without noticing it.

J'Poll

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Anshio Tamark
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-10-03 18:12:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Anshio Tamark
This guide is actually very well-written. But I agree with Skyly. Never pay money to join a corp. In just about 100% of the cases, it's a scam, and you won't get to join, even after giving them your ships, money and modules.

Another thing you should always look for is their Kill-Board. If they claim that they can use Industry-pilots, Miners or other such harmless professions and their Kill-board has hundreds or thousands of Industrials and Hulks from their own corp, you might want to turn down the offer.

I'm personally the guy in charge of most stuff going on in my corp, while the CEO is unable to come online, so I've picked up a lot of hints on recruitment policies.

A final note:
Always be prepared to turn down a corporation. Turning down 50 different corps is a lot better than having 50 corps in your employment history and only having been in each for a day. Your chances of being taken seriously by the corp that truly suits you are bigger if you've been in only 1 or 2, maybe 3 corps, compared to if you've been in lots of corps in short time. Nobody likes corp-jumpers.
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-10-04 01:39:54 UTC
Good guide.

One more tip:

Get on comms with them and run some ops before joining. I make that a policy before I join any corp and require it of any people coming into a corp in which I am the recruiter.

If there's any douchery it'll come out on comms very quickly.

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.

NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#8 - 2011-10-04 01:50:25 UTC
Im very happy the post seems to be of some help, and i would like to say thank you to those who have posted with more advice Big smile
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-10-04 12:10:25 UTC
Very nice.

One tool you may want to discuss is the in-game corp search tool. Understanding it and how it works is very good for players as well as for recruiters.

It allows for searching across a few different criteria such as 0.0, wormholes, highsec - size of corporation, times you play, so on and so forth.

Understanding how the weighted results work can make it easier to understand as well.

Example: A recruiter that specifies all time-zones is going to have their results lower on the list than an advert with the specific search times listed -- each time allotment counts as a separate criteria so the player would need to check more of them to more closely match the advert. This kind of thing for both applicants and recruiters to know about.

On SiSi (test server) - the next version also includes another option - "Roleplay" to help roleplayers find corporations more readily. (some recruiters are going to need to do up new advertisements for this change...)

Also - in the advertisement - it is usually best for you to specify what times you play instead of leaving that up as an open-grab bag deal. A common way of abbreviating is AU vs EU vs US style but using EVE time references are often best all around.

Example: "I'm generally on evenings AU" or "I live in the US but tend to play more EU times" - so on and so forth. EVE times are pretty much universal so always fairly safe to reference - not so much your local times "afternoons PST" - can work but not so good.

Again - a very nice guide.
Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#10 - 2011-10-13 14:36:11 UTC
Good post and you unintentionally made me laugh out loud at work with 'Personalety' P

A little addendum on the 'never join if you have to pay an entry fee or they want to move your stuff for you'.

If you have to pay don't join.

If you're joining a 0.0 corp the only feasible way to get your ships down intact is to use the alliance logistic support (unless you happen to have your own carrier/jump freighter).
Now the best attitude toward 0.0 is to consider all ships moved there lost already (someone will blow them up eventually), but no need to be stupid about it.
Try having a few cheap T1 ships moved to start with and then work your way upward to more expensive loads. Don't contract all your T3 ships at once but spread out the risk.
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-12-02 11:04:24 UTC
Louis deGuerre wrote:
Good post and you unintentionally made me laugh out loud at work with 'Personalety' P

A little addendum on the 'never join if you have to pay an entry fee or they want to move your stuff for you'.

If you have to pay don't join.

If you're joining a 0.0 corp the only feasible way to get your ships down intact is to use the alliance logistic support (unless you happen to have your own carrier/jump freighter).
Now the best attitude toward 0.0 is to consider all ships moved there lost already (someone will blow them up eventually), but no need to be stupid about it.
Try having a few cheap T1 ships moved to start with and then work your way upward to more expensive loads. Don't contract all your T3 ships at once but spread out the risk.


When going to 0.0 the first time, do not move your whole pile of assets there.

Always leave what is needed for carebearing in empire into empire, plus any assets you do not need in 0.0. Never take a massive pile of blueprints into 0.0 - keep them in empire.

I still have my old L4 mission gear in an empire station, gathering dust since 2008 but I still keep it there, knowing that even if one day I lose all the assets I have and all my ISK, I can just fly to that station, board an old rusty Dominix and do some L4 missions to get back up on my feet. The tiny sum of ISK that you'll leave "stuck" on such assets is the best insurance you can buy when heading out to the wild world of 0.0. If you can't afford that, you are not ready.
Brothar Rey
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#12 - 2011-12-02 13:32:43 UTC
I'd like to say to newer players DON'T RUSH to join a corp. Take your time. Take lots of time.

I strongly recommend taking a few days to a week just getting offers. Then another week or so asking questions and finding out if the potential corp is what your looking for.
Then, as was pointed out already, spend some time with the corp and it's members that you are interested in joining. Find out if you like them and they like you.

Most importantly, hanging out with the potential corp will show you whether or not you've been sold a line. Sometimes recruitments state that stuff is happening...but it's a wishlist, not actually really happening.

And really make sure that there are people on during your preferred play time. Doesn't matter how much you like your corp mates, you'll quickly lose your interest if your playing solo when the rest of them are all sleeping.
Trik Eriker
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-02-18 00:44:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Trik Eriker
Excellent post. This should be a must read for anyone looking for a corp and must be read...not skimmed....but read carefully.

My favourite point is:

6. If you are homosexual,deaf/mute,speak english as your second language or similar ask the recruiter how the corp feels about it. You do not want to place your self in a situation where you feel uncomfterbale or unfairly treated because of something along these lines. Most will not have any issues with any of these,but if your deaf you might have some trouble finding a serius PVP corp due to the high requirements for voice.


Can't tell you the number of guilds in other games I have been where people who are gay are really harassed. Or even worse are people whose first language isn't English...I have been in a couple guilds (I left when the harassment started) where people whose first language was not English were openly mocked and harassed until they left.

The public channel is a really good idea and will let everyone get to know if it will be a good fit.

Also the part about not joining the first corp who asks....definitely not something you should do. I did that and then found out I wasn't really ready to be in a corps. I had no idea what I wanted to do, where I wanted to go or anything. The public channels are a much better idea.

Again, excellent post.
Victor Stillwater
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-02-18 01:01:35 UTC
This is a great post.

Very helpful for someone like me who is new and struggling. :D

Thank you for sharing! :D

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Dyvim Slorm
Coven of the Morrigan
#15 - 2012-02-18 16:29:15 UTC
Great guide, could do with a sticky.

Having been round the block a bit, whatever career path you choose in Eve it's very important when choosing a corp that you actually like the people who are members. It sounds obvious I know but quite often newer players do not question what the spirit of the corp is.

You will be spending a lot of time with your prospective corpmates and a large part of that time will probably be using voice comms, so if you don't like the way they behave or their attitude you're not going to enjoy Eve very much if you join. If you're a grumpy old git like me you'll probably not feel at home flying with a bunch of kids, the same the other way round, though bear in mind that it's not physical age that's important.

Above all take your time choosing, don't rush to join something just because you got an offer, check them out to make sure that fit with the way you're happy to play.

Eve's a game to be enjoyed, get the choice of corp right and you'll have some great times and memories to look back on.
Shibuya Ku
Sankt Afra
#16 - 2012-02-18 21:25:14 UTC
I started playing EVE with some friends and never really looked for a Corp. That changed and I wanted to thank you for this guide. I am quite surprised about the fact that recruits are able to be that picky (apparently).
Dyvim Slorm
Coven of the Morrigan
#17 - 2012-02-18 22:28:15 UTC
Shibuya Ku wrote:
I started playing EVE with some friends and never really looked for a Corp. That changed and I wanted to thank you for this guide. I am quite surprised about the fact that recruits are able to be that picky (apparently).


Not a problem being picky as such, its a game not a job so spending time with people you like is important.

Basically if you are the sort of person a corp is looking for they will welcome you even if you do not necessarily meet all their recruitment criteria. It works the other way round, corps do things in different ways, if you find one that suits your personality chances are your enthusiam will show through and they'll pick you up even if fairly new.

The really hard part is the matching, the churn of posts in the recruitment forum is very high so it's easy to miss corps that might interest you, and recruiters may miss your own posts so you need to be persistant.
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#18 - 2012-02-19 01:43:39 UTC
First off i would llike to say thank you to Trik for bumping this post so more new players can get a chanse to read it,and i am very pleased to hear that it has helped even more people on their way to find a good corp where they can settle Smile

Shibuya Ku wrote:
I started playing EVE with some friends and never really looked for a Corp. That changed and I wanted to thank you for this guide. I am quite surprised about the fact that recruits are able to be that picky (apparently).


You have to keep in mind that there are 100ds of corps out there that all are looking for new members. Some are just looking for numbers,some are looking for specific roles to be filled. Ofc if you do nothing but mine all day you would have some issue getting into a hard core PVP corp/alliance.
But if your an all around player with a good attitude and you present your self well you will get interest from so many corporations out there!

Again the main thing to keep in mind is how you present your self to the recruiters. Be polite,explain what you are looking for,dont come with redicilus demands (as an example; If i join i feel that you should give me a plex just because im a member of your corp" sort of thing. Actually i would say never ever tell a recruiter that your looking to join a corp based on how much ISK you can make or weather or not they will pay you. But then again,some might not care about this. I can only speak for my self when i say that i am very very casius with people who gives me the impression that they are only looking at ISK oppertuneties and dont really care about anything else.

You can however ask weather or not there are programs in place that can benefit you,like ship replacment programs,corp buying your minerals,operations where you get a share of the ISK and so on. Just try to word it in a way that dosent make you sound greedy or like this is your main reason to be interested in joining.

But dont want to make this another wall of text. As someone said over me,keep bumping your post,be patient,and give it time. In the long run its in your favor to be in a NPC corp for a few weeks instead of joining 4-5 different corps because you got tired of the NPC corp chat Smile

Thank you for all the nice comments everyone and i hope this thread wont be lost again for a while but will be of more help to both new players looking to join their first corp,and old vets who are looking to find a new home Big smile

Regards,
NightCrawler
Ogi Talvanen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-02-19 23:36:53 UTC
For new ppl; don't overlook corp/alliance culture you want to join.
Trik Eriker
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-02-20 02:19:38 UTC
Someone mentioned in their post something I hadn't seen talked about before and wondered how big a part it plays in choosing a corp. Voice communications.

I am not able to use voice communications....well....I can listen to voice comm but can't use them myself. How big a problem will that be for corps? I mean is it a deal breaker? Note that I am not interested in pvp corps or pirate corps, just general easy going social corps.

I ask because while most of the other stuff mentioned in the guide has crossed my mind to some degree or other, it never crossed my mind at all that one of my own limitations might have an impact on what corp I pick...or rather....what corp might pick me.
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