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i have just one question

how does the one make any freaking money if not wh's or incursions

incursion lp has apparently inflated also normal level 4 lp stores to nearly bull value, doing level 4's in low or null seems pretty pointless, go figure. it seems botting level 4's in hi sec/null sec is still profitable though

or titan ratting.

wait there might be hidden bonus questions

Yet it's by far more dangerous to undock in high sec than in null sec, believe me I don't play this game seriously for a long time (1.5 year at better and few try before) but I've spent more time playing missions in high sec than any activity in null sec and you can believe when I tell you null sec is 0 risk if you learn the simple basics that are BM's and watch local.

BM's and watch local+ standings, something it's impossible in high sec, you don't even know if it's a guy in your own corp that is going to gank you (NPC corps), you never know if the smalest ship in the belt next to you is there to try to can flip you or just the warp in for the gank gang, and what about jita and all the other big trade hubs?
Those are no mans land and where you can figure easily how concord reaction/coding is a joke.

There are far hundreds more faction/officer fitted BS/Tengus rating safely in null sec than you will ever see in the greatest mission hubs in high sec all together. Then add all the carrier/super carrier/titan faction/officer fit rating dudes and cry me a river about high sec income that needs to be nerfed.

What needs to be nerfed in high sec is how easy it is for some risk averse pubbies to gank for max profit with 0 effort. And don't start talking about SS because the one trying to will look like another stupid pawn incapable to understand that in a single couple of hours if you kill 1bs rat per system and move on in null/low your SS raises at ridiculous speeds.
Gank is a valid tactic but should not be the stupid mongoloid gameplay that is today and SS farming should be a real pain for months on a daily farming basis to get back to normal.

What needs to be nerfed is how easy it is to high sec risk averse pubbies that call them selves "pirates" to keep their free risk activity whilist destroying the game for a lot of players and also kicking CCP right in the balls because those customers gone will hardly return.
Kick them from high sec, make them get instantly ganked by concord and local police if they ever undock with something else than their pod, make those risk averse pubbies really play the game and lets see then how much high sec income needs to be nerfed.
I can't wait to see those "elite pvp" pubbies come to null and have a taste of my auto canons
But you know what? -they will probably leave the game, because they are risk averse and everything they like is to fap in front of their Kb full of mission faction fited BS ganked freighters at the undocks and awesome pvp stuff alike with the obvious neutral alts for jams and reps. Let them leave, hope they get their ass kicked by the door closing.



Missions are boring in your personal opinion, by the way they're so boring as you say that the richest players in eve did a lot of those gazillions isk they swim in all day long by selling Omega implants they got with LP's, and guess what? -those are null sec pirate missions, awesome, it's really boring 1B the implant actually in Jita heh?

It's the oposite that must be done, lvl5 in null/low no one does them, bring them to high sec, crush the lp's market, people will eventually get bored and start using a lot more faction ships/fit for pvp, isn't that nice?
Actually who wins something with LP's?
Incursion runners (that are the sames all the time in high sec and the sames in null sec), they get gazillions of LP's they transform later in whatever empire lp's and so on, plus see their wallet blink like you could only dream of.
The issue is that incursions are not for the common player, you need to have a lot of spare time and play with the same dudes a lot, try to join an high sec incursion just like that and see what happens, if you're not all 5's with the pubbie vindicator's fit he wishes and same for whatever ship you can always sit ther and wait, it's wow on steroids but worst.



Exactly but not no matter how. Just nerf tech moon and all moon minerals to the ground and bring those to all players instead of some in the alliance. Alliance and Corporations wealth should come from the number of rich players in and willing to put their isk on the table to control/keep something, not from afk/passive/whatever stuff any idiot with an Iteron quafe plus can suck up just by installing a pos in 10minutes and threat everyone because he can drop hundred titans/sc's

Some are already working on POCOS taxes and increasing the taxes to their own alliance mates at 15% (saw this lately in goon space, seems their alliance mates are getting 15% butt hugs, and some other regions in other alliances at 5%)
CCP nerf this, if it's not NPC POCOS then tax should not be possible to raise above 10% by alliances, and I'm quite sure that even at 10% tax rate the monthly income per POCO starts at least at 1billion profit.

What needs to be nerfed is how easy it is for some megacorp or alliance to sit there and get gazillions of isk out of no where with rents, taxes, PI taxes, bounty tax, moon goo and a lot of more funky stuff.

Actually high sec and null sec mechanics are so flawded by "players driven content", but mostly ability to exploit basic rules, that CCP will not have the choice at some point but to make high sec totaly safe and increase significantly wars in null sec.

Agreed in principle, basically the flow should go like this:

Lowest income - highest safety - Hisec
Lowsec is VERY dangerous, income should be substantially higher than hisec in every aspect
Nullsec is VERY dangerous but can be made safer by utilising huge amounts of isk and man hours to do so so should have the highest income
Wormhole space should be roughly in line with Nullsec in income as the dangers and so on are similar in elevel but different in nature.

You should never be able to make the most isk in the safest environment, which currently you can. And dont be a **** and tell me how hisec is dangerous, its only dangerous if you are stupid.

Here's the essential problem I see, and it's easily observable. Prices on everything has been going through the roof, and it's because of isk inflation. As it stands, with incursions, FW missions, plexing, etc. there is too much isk being poured onto the market with no actual products being added, for the most part. Prices go up, and mining becomes less attractive because people see how much money you can make on incursions and the like. Mining just doesn't compete anymore as a way to make isk, so less items are being built, making prices go up again.

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They should modify all payouts regardless of location with output from an algorithm containing "residents", "visitors" and "deaths" (read: base it on actual risk rather than theoretical risk).

But of course, that would mean lowsec gets the best income as it has the most risk with null a distant second so doubtful that such a thing makes it by the null censors

I fail to understand why so many miss the point.

In the balance between risk and reward perhaps it is not the reward that needs balancing but the risk. Things stay in high sec because so many players are risk averse. CCP has tried many times (at the whims of folks like the OP) to adjust this but far too often they miss the mark.

You could move all level 4 missions, ice, datacore production and the like to low sec or 0.0 and it would have a far less profound affect than adjusting risk.

Case in point?

T3 interdiction nullification and sensor amplification modules. The rewards did not change yet far more people were (are) willing to risk sneaking into lower security since there was the perceived chance they might survive more than a few seconds.

Just a few ideas. Make NPC pirates more likely to attack new people that enter a complex or deadspace. Allow modules that can burst confuse probes allowing for a speedy get away. Create tanky industrials and exhumers that can actually defend themselves or at least survive the most trivial attacks.

Changing rewards will not affect behavior (other than cancelled subscriptions). Instead, adjust mechanics that make it more possible to evade and survive in lawless space in a PVE ship. No matter how much you adjust rewards a large number of people will find it more profitable to simply do more volume of the activity that is safer than less volume of an activity they perceive guarantees loss.



My 2 isks

jealous ? ehm that I will never be of highsec of anything in life.

This would be great, and is an idea that can be expanded on.

You completely missed the point the OP was making. I don't really care so much about the highsec miners. To me, mining in highsec completely defeats the purpose of mining in the first place.

As for missions... I've been running them on & off for the past year-ish taking a break from 0.0 & such... Even I agree that the ammount of isk I'm earning in highsec with little risk is too high. I won't even start on Incursions...

OP, I agree with you completely.

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