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New dev blog: News from the fontlines

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Vyktor Abyss
Abyss Research
#21 - 2011-09-20 12:18:05 UTC
For the love of God, please when you go changing things like this, give us the option to keep the old setting.

I hate the look of that font compared to the old one, and don't understand why you can't just give us a checkbox/drop down selection in our options to choose the font we use.

It is subjective whether it is better or not; I generally don't have an issue differentiating between the 6G& etc to be honest and when you make changes like this you should consider those who like or are used to the old way of things.

Make subjective changes OPTIONAL.
noise
Space Defence Force
#22 - 2011-09-20 12:18:56 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:

I was looking for a captial F!P
But yeah, this was because the font was sitting to high, it has been fixed now!


Yay \o/

+1 for having fixed it already :p

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Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
#23 - 2011-09-20 12:21:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Rees Noturana
All caps is a BAD THING for readability and it's always bugged me that EVE switched so much of the text to it. People read word shapes more than the letters themselves and switching more of the textual content to regular case is a great move. All caps for headers and other small snippets of text is fine.

Letter spacing seems a tad wide but that could be a Windows thing. I'm looking forward to seeing this on Mac where it'll be rendered properly. Cool

Punkturis, it's looking good and I can't wait to see the final result.

P.S.

Where are you hiding the font files in the application? I can't find them.

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Walextheone
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2011-09-20 12:23:00 UTC
Tefeyel wrote:
This is something that comes standard with EVERY game, and should have been implemented 8 years ago. Am I really supposed to be exited? This was the hyped up "big news"? What a disappointment.

Just goes to show how neglected this game has been if such standard things are such an achievement.



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Mar Drakar
LDK
#25 - 2011-09-20 12:25:13 UTC
Vyktor Abyss wrote:
For the love of God, please when you go changing things like this, give us the option to keep the old setting.

I hate the look of that font compared to the old one, and don't understand why you can't just give us a checkbox/drop down selection in our options to choose the font we use.

It is subjective whether it is better or not; I generally don't have an issue differentiating between the 6G& etc to be honest and when you make changes like this you should consider those who like or are used to the old way of things.

Make subjective changes OPTIONAL.


every optional thing for you means TWO supported possibly clusterfuxed hacks, and another option to store... and to read... and be aware while doing anything anywhere in the code.

so no, bye old font, welcome future.
noise
Space Defence Force
#26 - 2011-09-20 12:25:24 UTC
Walextheone wrote:
Tefeyel wrote:
This is something that comes standard with EVERY game, and should have been implemented 8 years ago. Am I really supposed to be exited? This was the hyped up "big news"? What a disappointment.

Just goes to show how neglected this game has been if such standard things are such an achievement.



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CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#27 - 2011-09-20 12:25:31 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Spitfire
Dierdra Vaal wrote:
Gripen wrote:
Comic Sans?


COMIC SAAAAAANS!

on topic: long, long overdue new font - but better late than never. :)

I don't know if it's an intentional troll or not but the constantly changing font in the devblog is a little annoying imo.


Not intentional; just a glitch. It should be fixed now.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#28 - 2011-09-20 12:25:38 UTC
Vyktor Abyss wrote:
For the love of God, please when you go changing things like this, give us the option to keep the old setting.

I hate the look of that font compared to the old one, and don't understand why you can't just give us a checkbox/drop down selection in our options to choose the font we use.

It is subjective whether it is better or not; I generally don't have an issue differentiating between the 6G& etc to be honest and when you make changes like this you should consider those who like or are used to the old way of things.

Make subjective changes OPTIONAL.


Some old features in eve are like precious glass vases on a shelf with not alot of room somethings going to get broken when you put the new vase and they peferre it be the one the vase was supposed to replace.

I have an odd feeling that the contextual means to control which font is displayed is no where near in existence yet in the game but they're more than capable of yanking out the entire libary as they done before when it comes to the text.

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J Kunjeh
#29 - 2011-09-20 12:28:47 UTC
Finally! I've been kvetching about the fonts in Eve for many years, now WTF am I supposed to kvetch about? Hmmmmmmmm?

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Angelica Bianca
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2011-09-20 12:31:56 UTC
First impression: I don't like it. The all caps font reminds me of a gritty/old technology terminal-esque font. Which I totally dig. I'll give it a fair shot once it's implemented. Maybe this is one of those changes I never knew I wanted.
Yaar Podshipnik
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#31 - 2011-09-20 12:36:18 UTC
Nice, but I have some questions:

  1. Will it be possible to change the font size of ESC menu?
  2. Will it be possible to change the font size of the mission descriptions?
  3. Will it be possible to change the font size of the local player list (player names)?
  4. Will it be possible to change the font size on the ship fitting window?
  5. Will it be possible to change the font size in the item description windows?
  6. Will it be possible to change the font size in the PI, S&I, and market screens?
  7. Why not allow us to use our own favorite font? Most of the day I stare at DejaVu Sans Mono and I really like that font (the whole font family actually).
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#32 - 2011-09-20 12:38:30 UTC
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Wysong
Monoptix
#33 - 2011-09-20 12:45:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Wysong
I actually prefer the old font - the new one feels a little too organic, certainly less sci-fi'ey.

It wouldn't take much to address the existing font issues without changing the entire feel of the UI:
http://www.cabinha.com/files/25bcbb37c0fb867bf9f750e49e574e81.jpg

The scale of the new font seems a little large (or the old font is small) to both be size 12, meaning the UI would be less information dense in the same given size (by pixel).

There again I see some value in increasing the font size, and improving legibility - however the new font seems less scannable - perhaps due to the swinging sensation of the shoulders and to a lesser extent ascenders.
Extreme
Eye of God
#34 - 2011-09-20 12:51:33 UTC
As i wrote on Facebook, maybe Noah forwarded it yet.

Expanded action menu with: Left □ mouse button.
Is the □ intentional or a character that is not available in the Eve Sans Neue?
Ishihiro tanaka
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2011-09-20 12:53:24 UTC
It's funny how one could freely translate "EVE Sans Neue" to "EVE nothing new".

Things do change, making it optional miught be optional. Though I need to get used to the new font, its readability is better then the old one. The CAPS issue never bothered me much.

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CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#36 - 2011-09-20 12:54:01 UTC
Yaar Podshipnik wrote:
Nice, but I have some questions:

  1. Will it be possible to change the font size of ESC menu?
  2. Will it be possible to change the font size of the mission descriptions?
  3. Will it be possible to change the font size of the local player list (player names)?
  4. Will it be possible to change the font size on the ship fitting window?
  5. Will it be possible to change the font size in the item description windows?
  6. Will it be possible to change the font size in the PI, S&I, and market screens?
  7. Why not allow us to use our own favorite font? Most of the day I stare at DejaVu Sans Mono and I really like that font (the whole font family actually).


Nope, you'll only be able to change the size of the context menu, as before.

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CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#37 - 2011-09-20 12:54:44 UTC
Extreme wrote:
As i wrote on Facebook, maybe Noah forwarded it yet.

Expanded action menu with: Left □ mouse button.
Is the □ intentional or a character that is not available in the Eve Sans Neue?


this is a defect, thank youSmile

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enterprisePSI
#38 - 2011-09-20 12:56:50 UTC
<----- me after reading the blog

good news, could we please see some market/wallet screenshots? :D

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Kandreath
De Re Metallica
#39 - 2011-09-20 13:02:03 UTC
Awwwww two great Dev blogs in a row! - I'm giddy! More of this stuff in development and as a blog.

+1
Myrhial Arkenath
Perkone
Caldari State
#40 - 2011-09-20 13:04:19 UTC
As someone who wears contacts for Myopia (that's nearsightedness, or not being able to see well in the distance) I can't thank you enough. People who suffer from this will know that their contacts or glasses scale things down, making small text harder to read. It effectively means I have the font currently set to expanded, have have to bump it up twice from the default size to be able to read this. Have to admit, I play EVE on 1920*1200 because I enjoy my internet spaceships in all their splendor, but still. I hope with this font I don't have to tweak every conversation window or channel that I open and be able to just read everything without squinting. The screenshots are promising already.

PS: I agree it would be nice if we could control fonts more individually, and I like the idea of allowing us to choose from a series of fonts or to be able to use our own. Barring that, perhaps leave the old font available for a while and track usage statistics?

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