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UK man gets 18weeks in jail for trolling.

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Shmuel Astucius
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2011-09-18 17:07:24 UTC
slippery slope, but I don't agree with what he did. It's a shame that people can do these things and not feel any sort of remorse or common decency. Our society influenced this person to do these actions. I don't believe a custodial sentence is the key here, he needs to change from the inside out not the outside in. In times gone by people people would not of even thought about doing this but with the collapse of social morals on all fronts get used to this becoming the norm or rather get prepared for worse to come.
SpaceSquirrels
#42 - 2011-09-18 18:05:10 UTC  |  Edited by: SpaceSquirrels
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Lol what are you talking about dude? Decline in morals? (I never really bought the "we're worse now than before." argument Look at history rather cylindrical I would say. ) People have harassed others throughout time. The only difference now is an added medium, and that medium has anonymity to it. Thus making it more apt for this kind of behavior.

I suppose a theory could be. "Did the internet create more assholes? Or does it just give us a means to be said *******?"
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2011-09-18 19:09:15 UTC  |  Edited by: VKhaun Vex
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
A common error that I can speak for in the USA regarding the "right to free speech" is that people often forget that everybody posses an equal right to ignore whatever is being said.


Logically backwards, and patently false. How would any of these topics even come up if others could just 'not listen'? Protests wouldn't work in the first place, much less be able to reach the point of this conversation. Harassment would be moot and no laws would be needed. Vandalism to write messages on things wouldn't happen because people would just 'ignore' their damage.

I'm sure if the WBC showed up at a family funeral with your kids there, you'd just tell them to walk around the nice people screaming at them because they're fags. Your kids start crying so you just tell them to 'ignore' the angry women chanting that they're going to hell and their dead relatives are being burned alive over and over while waiting for them.

If you reduced speech to only be allowed when others could 'not listen' this would be the most controlling country in the world, where almost nothing would ever be allowed to be expressed.

No. Sorry. You once again pop into the thread to make a statement that might sound okay at first, but goes no where and makes no sense in the context of the real world, like a comedian dropping one liners that aren't funny.

Charges Twilight fans with Ka-bar -Surfin's PlunderBunny LIIIIIIIIIIINNEEEEE PIIIEEEECCCCEEE!!!!!!! -Taedrin Using relativity to irrational numbers is smart -rodyas I no longer believe we landed on the moon. -Atticus Fynch

Pr1ncess Alia
Doomheim
#44 - 2011-09-19 01:52:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia
VKhaun Vex wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
A common error that I can speak for in the USA regarding the "right to free speech" is that people often forget that everybody posses an equal right to ignore whatever is being said.


Logically backwards, and patently false. How would any of these topics even come up if others could just 'not listen'? Protests wouldn't work in the first place, much less be able to reach the point of this conversation. Harassment would be moot and no laws would be needed. Vandalism to write messages on things wouldn't happen because people would just 'ignore' their damage.

I'm sure if the WBC showed up at a family funeral with your kids there, you'd just tell them to walk around the nice people screaming at them because they're fags. Your kids start crying so you just tell them to 'ignore' the angry women chanting that they're going to hell and their dead relatives are being burned alive over and over while waiting for them.

If you reduced speech to only be allowed when others could 'not listen' this would be the most controlling country in the world, where almost nothing would ever be allowed to be expressed.

No. Sorry. You once again pop into the thread to make a statement that might sound okay at first, but goes no where and makes no sense in the context of the real world, like a comedian dropping one liners that aren't funny.


Herzog is correct on this one.

The very concept of harassment is that it removes any reasonable ability for you to ignore what would otherwise be the free speech of another person.

This is the very reason the WBC is still doing what it's doing and not rotting in a jail somewhere. Again, as I said earlier, they have a right to protest the funerals, but not to outright disrupt said funerals.
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2011-09-19 02:11:36 UTC
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:

Herzog is correct on this one.

The very concept of harassment is that it removes any reasonable ability for you to ignore what would otherwise be the free speech of another person.


That's not what he said... he doesn't even think the topic poster should have been sent to jail. You and I seem to differ on where the line is, but it seems he thinks there is no line at all and anyone can say anything to anyone regardless of what harm it causes.

At least that's how I read it, I won't put words in his mouth if that's not what he meant I'm sure he'll clear it up.

Charges Twilight fans with Ka-bar -Surfin's PlunderBunny LIIIIIIIIIIINNEEEEE PIIIEEEECCCCEEE!!!!!!! -Taedrin Using relativity to irrational numbers is smart -rodyas I no longer believe we landed on the moon. -Atticus Fynch

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#46 - 2011-09-19 07:59:16 UTC
Jada Maroo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Sidus Isaacs wrote:



Sure about that? ;)



We dont block a semi religious building because of terrorist attacks. Straight



You do arrest people for internet trolling...


This has happened in the US as well. Last year, IIRC.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#47 - 2011-09-19 08:28:09 UTC
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:


Herzog is correct on this one.

The very concept of harassment is that it removes any reasonable ability for you to ignore what would otherwise be the free speech of another person.

This is the very reason the WBC is still doing what it's doing and not rotting in a jail somewhere. Again, as I said earlier, they have a right to protest the funerals, but not to outright disrupt said funerals.



In the uk we have the right to not be harrased by arsewipes, over here they would have been arrested and fined every single time under the public order act.
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2011-09-19 08:44:11 UTC  |  Edited by: VKhaun Vex
baltec1 wrote:
In the uk we have the right to not be harrased by arsewipes, over here they would have been arrested and fined every single time under the public order act.



Actually IIRC they didn't even let them enter the U.K. to begin with...

Totalitarian police state: 1
Free speech utopia: 0

Charges Twilight fans with Ka-bar -Surfin's PlunderBunny LIIIIIIIIIIINNEEEEE PIIIEEEECCCCEEE!!!!!!! -Taedrin Using relativity to irrational numbers is smart -rodyas I no longer believe we landed on the moon. -Atticus Fynch

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#49 - 2011-09-19 08:50:23 UTC
VKhaun Vex wrote:



Actually IIRC they didn't even let them enter the U.K. to begin with...




Why would we want to, you can keep themStraight
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2011-09-19 09:05:37 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
VKhaun Vex wrote:



Actually IIRC they didn't even let them enter the U.K. to begin with...




Why would we want to, you can keep themStraight



I like cool weather, tough laws, and the sound of rain.

London is probably too expensive for me, but I suddenly feel I belong over there. Sad

Charges Twilight fans with Ka-bar -Surfin's PlunderBunny LIIIIIIIIIIINNEEEEE PIIIEEEECCCCEEE!!!!!!! -Taedrin Using relativity to irrational numbers is smart -rodyas I no longer believe we landed on the moon. -Atticus Fynch

Froz3nEcho Sarain
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2011-09-19 14:11:41 UTC
Why is everyone talking about trolling here? Everything this guy has said/done has nothing to do with trolling or freedom of speech for that matter. I am for freedom of speech...to some degree at least. Some things just shouldn't be said because it is just verbal violence which in some cases can be more severe than a punch to the teeth.

But apparently the internet brings up the worst of humanity and another douche-bag thought his life would be less empty by saying and making these horrible things. If I was the father of this poor girl I would have shot him in the head but you can't have everything. This is just plain Darwinism, scum like this are at the bottom of the human ladder and it is just a matter of time until they fall down.

[i]~ When everything fades away, an echo is the only sound that will remain ~   ~ Chaos is a name for any order that produces confusion in our minds ~[/i]

Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2011-09-19 14:58:12 UTC
Froz3nEcho Sarain wrote:
If I was the father of this poor girl I would have shot him in the head .


How mature of you...
Froz3nEcho Sarain
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2011-09-19 15:30:08 UTC
Sidus Isaacs wrote:
Froz3nEcho Sarain wrote:
If I was the father of this poor girl I would have shot him in the head .


How mature of you...


Call it freedom of speech like everyone else in this thread. ^^

[i]~ When everything fades away, an echo is the only sound that will remain ~   ~ Chaos is a name for any order that produces confusion in our minds ~[/i]

Marwood Ford
Doomheim
#54 - 2011-09-20 03:04:46 UTC
I'm entirely happy that the sentencing in this case was appropriate. While "trolling" is the sort of neologism that the media love to cram into a headline, it's a word that doesn't really cover the malicious psychological abuse of a dead girl's family. I'm actually quite shocked, VKhaun, that you can read that story and come to the conclusion that the man didn't "do" anything.
Mudkest
Contagious Goat Labs
#55 - 2011-09-20 08:38:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Mudkest
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:


Yes and no. I think there is a gray area where we should leave room for people to voice opinions that others may not agree with or want. In the states we have these assholes called the Westboro Baptist Church that like to protest military funerals.


true, but did he only made a comment once on their facebook or w/e he did it, or did he spam post them? there's a difference between leaving a single post saying "I'm glad she's dead"(still tasteless btw) or spamming the page with messages like that.
one is voicing an opinion, the other is harrassing.

Off course if he would do this face-to-face or hang banners in the street and such he'd probably get a restraining order but doing that for the internet is almost impossible to enforce(if not completely)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#56 - 2011-09-20 09:11:08 UTC
Mudkest wrote:


true, but did he only made a comment once on their facebook or w/e he did it, or did he spam post them? there's a difference between leaving a single post saying "I'm glad she's dead"(still tasteless btw) or spamming the page with messages like that.
one is voicing an opinion, the other is harrassing.

Off course if he would do this face-to-face or hang banners in the street and such he'd probably get an, hmr, don't go near them again or face jail thing(cant remember the name) but doing something like that for the internet is almost impossible to enforce(if not completely)



Not only did he spam but he also took the time to make a facebook page and several vids he put up on youtube.
Marwood Ford
Doomheim
#57 - 2011-09-20 11:10:09 UTC
Mudkest wrote:
true, but did he only made a comment once on their facebook or w/e he did it, or did he spam post them?


Er... you could try reading the article linked in the OP.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#58 - 2011-09-20 17:52:24 UTC
Jada Maroo wrote:
the 911 Victory Mosque.


Isn't that the mosque which is in fact several blocks away from the WTC site, but the media keeps distorting facts to troll you?

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#59 - 2011-09-20 18:44:21 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Jada Maroo wrote:
the 911 Victory Mosque.


Isn't that the mosque which is in fact several blocks away from the WTC site, but the media keeps distorting facts to troll you?


Its not even really a mosque. The vast bulk of the building was going to be a community center open to everyone with a prayer room on one of the lower floors.
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2011-09-20 22:15:58 UTC
Froz3nEcho Sarain wrote:
Sidus Isaacs wrote:
Froz3nEcho Sarain wrote:
If I was the father of this poor girl I would have shot him in the head .


How mature of you...


Call it freedom of speech like everyone else in this thread. ^^


I am all for free speech, but does not mean I have to repect you or what you say in any way :)
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