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Official Protest - Mittani should be removed from CSM - *** UPDATED RESPONSE POSTED ***

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Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#921 - 2012-02-16 17:44:42 UTC
Ethics, serious business in Eve Online.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#922 - 2012-02-16 17:50:40 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
*accuses griefers of cowardice*
*hides behind npc corp alt*


*Now revealed*

*Accuses people of integrity*
*hides behind anonymous CSM minutes*

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Igner Greyhound
Perkone
Caldari State
#923 - 2012-02-16 17:50:56 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Igner Greyhound wrote:
Reminder that the King of Space has led our corporation into so much corrupt corruption that the entire alliance income and expense sheet is freely posted for even day-old members to review and question. So corrupt! This gives valuable information to our enemies that would normally require grooming of high-level spies, but that is a small price to pay in the name of TOTAL CORRUPTION.


How is that relevant to CSM? Its an IG consideration. Also the last time it was attempted to be published the link needed permissions to enter the public information. Also how do we know this spreadsheet isnt just "public" presented material as opposed to real "private" facts.

Assuming that IG issues matter do we then take all the griefing and scamming related activity attributable to Goons to signify a less than corrupt position? Roll


It's relevant to the first post, since it's one of the stated reasons for disqualification. The info is presented by independent (non director) auditor, and is published in a way that is available to anyone directly affected (alliance members). A corrupt CSM head would want to preserve the ridiculous ISK faucet that is technetium given our moon holdings, but Mittani is strongly in favor of nerfing it.


No matter how much you want it to not be true, you are playing a game that freely allows griefing and scamming. Many players in Goonwaffe do it, everyone knows this, yet it keeps happening over and over and over. There is no more reason to disqualify someone from a scamming alliance than there would be to disqualify a player who flies Amarr ships because you think lasers suck.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#924 - 2012-02-16 17:56:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
Igner Greyhound wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Igner Greyhound wrote:
Reminder that the King of Space has led our corporation into so much corrupt corruption that the entire alliance income and expense sheet is freely posted for even day-old members to review and question. So corrupt! This gives valuable information to our enemies that would normally require grooming of high-level spies, but that is a small price to pay in the name of TOTAL CORRUPTION.


How is that relevant to CSM? Its an IG consideration. Also the last time it was attempted to be published the link needed permissions to enter the public information. Also how do we know this spreadsheet isnt just "public" presented material as opposed to real "private" facts.

Assuming that IG issues matter do we then take all the griefing and scamming related activity attributable to Goons to signify a less than corrupt position? Roll


It's relevant to the first post, since it's one of the stated reasons for disqualification. The info is presented by independent (non director) auditor, and is published in a way that is available to anyone directly affected (alliance members). A corrupt CSM head would want to preserve the ridiculous ISK faucet that is technetium given our moon holdings, but Mittani is strongly in favor of nerfing it.


No matter how much you want it to not be true, you are playing a game that freely allows griefing and scamming. Many players in Goonwaffe do it, everyone knows this, yet it keeps happening over and over and over. There is no more reason to disqualify someone from a scamming alliance than there would be to disqualify a player who flies Amarr ships because you think lasers suck.


Nothing against them, they are valid IG mechanics, but like I said I wouldnt blur IG considerations with CSM duties, however if your forcing a consideration of including all IG elements best get your **** together than stupid propoganda.

Of course Mitttens well known capital scam and initiatives like Hulkageddon are not significant issues associated with corruptability? Roll (Again IG stuff, perfectly valid, shouldnt effect CSM, sigh)

Also, the tech moon issue could be viewed as a way of preventing anyone else from profiting from them in the future and yet the Goons have capatilised on their position of having a significant portion of them for a long time. So nerf them, keep the assests associated with their gain prior, still have large number of them still better represented than others anyhow.

Some Goons. Couldn't pour water out of a boot with instructions on the heel.

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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#925 - 2012-02-16 17:58:24 UTC
Igner Greyhound wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Igner Greyhound wrote:
Reminder that the King of Space has led our corporation into so much corrupt corruption that the entire alliance income and expense sheet is freely posted for even day-old members to review and question. So corrupt! This gives valuable information to our enemies that would normally require grooming of high-level spies, but that is a small price to pay in the name of TOTAL CORRUPTION.


How is that relevant to CSM? Its an IG consideration. Also the last time it was attempted to be published the link needed permissions to enter the public information. Also how do we know this spreadsheet isnt just "public" presented material as opposed to real "private" facts.

Assuming that IG issues matter do we then take all the griefing and scamming related activity attributable to Goons to signify a less than corrupt position? Roll


It's relevant to the first post, since it's one of the stated reasons for disqualification. The info is presented by independent (non director) auditor, and is published in a way that is available to anyone directly affected (alliance members). A corrupt CSM head would want to preserve the ridiculous ISK faucet that is technetium given our moon holdings, but Mittani is strongly in favor of nerfing it.


No matter how much you want it to not be true, you are playing a game that freely allows griefing and scamming. Many players in Goonwaffe EVE Online do it, everyone knows this, yet it keeps happening over and over and over. There is no more reason to disqualify someone from a scamming alliance than there would be to disqualify a player who flies Amarr ships because you think lasers suck.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#926 - 2012-02-16 18:18:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
The greates trick The Mittani pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. Blink

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#927 - 2012-02-16 18:26:18 UTC
Grumpy Owly, maybe if you made a character Happy Owly you would enjoy internet spaceships more and worry about that darn Mittani less.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#928 - 2012-02-16 18:40:31 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Th greates trick The Mittani pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. Blink


You think I'm so serious?

Not sure if Mittens is Turkish.

However some clues to his serious qualities:

The Mittani wrote:
I'm actually so completely full of myself when it comes to EVE that the whole CSM thing is pretty ancillary to my "e-identity" compared to leading Goonswarm, which is itself ancillary to my 'true love' in EVE, running espionage in the glory days of spying before Dominion ruined it. Heh.

Essentially, the counterargument to "you're just doing this because you're full of yourself" is "actually, i'm so completely full of myself that it doesn't do anything for my ego, my ego is beyond even that." Sad but true!

...

i am a sadist with a dire wolf and the only time i enjoy eve online is when i make thousands of people suffer, or acting as a trusted 3rd party for supercap sales

mittens 2012

...

Professor Alphane wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
At the risk of stealing his lines, why should he give two short ***** about what you think of his style?



RP style and RL action are to distinctly separate things, both I adressed in my post.

But to answer your question

DunnoDontCareWasItRelevant.jpg


oh, you think i'm 'roleplaying' an arrogant sadist

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Magnusian
Sigma Kid Protection Services
#929 - 2012-02-16 19:36:42 UTC
Dearest Pubbie brosefs, please help in my campaign against The Mittani's CSM candidacy.

My reasons:
His beard is pretty lame and not manly at all, it's not even a neckbeard, how can he represent neckbeards without one of his own.
He is a poopyface.
He has gained respect for goons in the eyes of a large number of pubbies, this is an affront to all goonkind.
He likes dogs, when cats are clearly superior.
He won't RESET TEST.
He lets DBRB run ops that begin with "I promise good fights" and end in "we're going to shoot this pos that is 40 jumps from the nearest link in the JB network."
I've had a carrier for over a year and still haven't lost it despite numerous promises that I would.
He has a tier 10 in World of Tanks and I don't.
Cheezy Armpit
Absolute Order XVIII
Absolute Will
#930 - 2012-02-16 19:36:57 UTC
man up internet spaceship pussyclats.
Magnusian
Sigma Kid Protection Services
#931 - 2012-02-16 19:42:22 UTC
Oh, I fogot one reason, probably his greatest crime:

He lets Amok. post.
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#932 - 2012-02-16 21:01:36 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Igner Greyhound wrote:
Reminder that the King of Space has led our corporation into so much corrupt corruption that the entire alliance income and expense sheet is freely posted for even day-old members to review and question. So corrupt! This gives valuable information to our enemies that would normally require grooming of high-level spies, but that is a small price to pay in the name of TOTAL CORRUPTION.


How is that relevant to CSM? Its an IG consideration. Also the last time it was attempted to be published the link needed permissions to enter the public information. Also how do we know this spreadsheet isnt just "public" presented material as opposed to real "private" facts.

Assuming that IG issues matter do we then take all the griefing and scamming related activity attributable to Goons to signify a less than corrupt position? Roll

uh what the link doesn't require any logins or anything

naturally you can't edit the form though and also i broke part of it by moving who had roles i should fix that
Berke Negri
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#933 - 2012-02-16 21:08:54 UTC
ha ha oh man did that npc alt really call mittens PUNKTANI
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#934 - 2012-02-16 21:09:15 UTC
Goonswarm makes an estimated 617,543,259,988.48 isk per month
Travis Wells
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#935 - 2012-02-16 21:09:53 UTC
damn, im late to the party, but i still laughed a lil bit
FOl2TY8
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#936 - 2012-02-16 21:35:45 UTC
Retar Aveymone wrote:
Goonswarm makes an estimated 617,543,259,988.48 isk per month


THAT'S A LOT OF ISK
Paxton Brimstone
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#937 - 2012-02-16 21:55:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Paxton Brimstone
The Mittani represents just as other CSM members the player base and there wants and needs to make the game worth playing. Mittins represents many of us and in a way that does with our own type of honor and integrity. As such he is doing his job and has been faithful to those that elected him. If a empire bear pubbie was elected and those block of players voted for him great then they have a voice. Dont be hate'n when we play a sandbox mmo and the "wild guys" have a voice. I look forward to mittins having another round and chewing up noobers like woulds on the council with him if they get elected.. Gawd I just love having a little bee as our chairman woooooot ..
Berke Negri
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#938 - 2012-02-16 22:17:26 UTC
FOl2TY8 wrote:
Retar Aveymone wrote:
Goonswarm makes an estimated 617,543,259,988.48 isk per month


THAT'S A LOT OF ISK

not after the mittani puts it all in his ~pockets~
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#939 - 2012-02-16 22:24:41 UTC
Berke Negri wrote:
FOl2TY8 wrote:
Retar Aveymone wrote:
Goonswarm makes an estimated 617,543,259,988.48 isk per month


THAT'S A LOT OF ISK

not after the mittani puts it all in his ~pockets~


yeah, he spends most of the moongold on brutixes

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Akelorian
FinFleet
Northern Coalition.
#940 - 2012-02-17 00:28:50 UTC
Retar Aveymone wrote:
Goonswarm makes an estimated 617,543,259,988.48 isk per month


And in January their loss's amassed to just over 711,000,000,000.00 isk, so obviously not all the isk is going to mittens pocket :)