Player Features and Ideas Discussion

We have just confirmed that there was an unannounced change in Crucible to the mechanism for receiving security status increases when killing rats. Previously, all those who damaged the rat received the full secuirty status increase, whereas now only the player who "laid the final blow" receives the security status increase.

While this may seem like a small change to many it is a concern as:

a) this change was not announced (CCP - we thought you had stopped doing that)
b) grinding security status is slow and painful at the best of times; this change makes corporate roams through 0.0 to grind security status and kill the unwary much less fruitful

This is not an issue for those who want to go full pirate (-5.0 and beyond), but for those of us who are trying to keep our security status up it is a problem.

I was advised by a GM to post in this forum (seems odd as this isn't so much a suggestion as a request to fix what was changed), but so be it.

Have you reported this as a bug or was it confirmed by a GM/Dev to be intended?

What a terrible change in mechanics. Please unnerf this CCP.

(sec status has always been one of the worst aspects of the game, the last thing you want to do is make it worse).

According to his post on FHC, yes, he reported it and a GM confirmed it was changed on the back-end but could not comment on whether it was intentional or not.

http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?5658-Change-in-Security-Status-Mechanism-Ratting

I posted my thoughts there. Most of them aren't in language appropriate for the EVE forums. But they boil down to what Cass said--the sec status mechanics are ridiculous and probably the one aspect of EVE that reminds me of WoW--but in WoW at least the PvE was mildly interesting. This nerf is just making a terrible mechanic even worse. As I stated there, there needs to be some sort of change to the mechanic (or addition) such that there are other less ridiculous avenues to fixing sec status, including something that seems like it would fit the lore of EVE to a "t"--bribery. Make every level of Fast Talk allow you to exchange isk bribes to CONCORD for sec. Hell, just let it convert my loltastic bounties from rat killing into CONCORD bribes. Let me pay AURUM for sec stauts. SOMETHING to prevent my having to decide between a JF alt, grinding in a way that makes WoW look like something I might be interested in taking back up, or simply reducing the amount of time I spend playing EVE.

There literally aren't enough facepalms in the universe. You consent to PvP the second you log on no matter where you are in space. This concept is what makes EvE interesting and unique and has been affirmed countless times by the developers. The security status mechanic doesn't prevent people from bringing PvP to all corners of EvE, it just makes it more inconvenient. If you really desire total safety from other players, there are many other games on the market.

If you're going to make changes to this system, CCP, please do it out in the open rather than squeezing it into a patch unannounced. This doesn't just affect pirates, but anyone who roams through lowsec (which is in need of attention all on it's own).

If this is true its a huge pile of steaming BULL by CCP again.

They took something that really was the worst grind in EvE and made it worse to the 10th degree.

This needs to at least be fixed CCP this is not cool at all.

Worst of all they never gave us a chance to talk about it or get our thoughts as players on it. Yet again the crap all over the players.

This is just some more backhanded punishment without communication with the players again.

Heck we used to run corp OPs to grind up sec. Thanks for crapping on that being something we can do now CCP.

CCP sneaking it in without player feedback is what pissed me off the most about this honestly.

This is a good first step.

Now all CCP have to do is change concord to sue the outside of wardec jihaddist gankers in hisec space for the isk value of any ganks they made and give that over to the victim.

Victims dont lose any isk (save their cargo), gankers get their lol ganks and gaina much needed isk sink cuz lets face it, they haz way too much isk to begin with if all they care to do is throw it away on kills, carebears will be more at ease, gankers will be mad. More Pvp encouraged because now carebears won't care if they lose ships in hisec and gankers cannot make isk from lol ganks anymore.

Everybody wins!

You're a moron.

and if 2 people shoot the same rat each only gets half the bounty and it only drops loot once too.

Look, sorry to burst your bubble, but like I said this will not make it any harder for anyone rat sec/gank.
It will just turn us into even more antisocial bastards! Is that what you really want?