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Making your ISK living as a solo pirate

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Crom Domison
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-02-14 02:21:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Crom Domison
Hey. I'm a 20mil SP pilot in a corp I love, but truth be told they don't do alot of PvE.


Many of my fellow pirates rely on buying PLEXes or using alts for their sustenance ISK. I cannot afford either of these means and thus I have come here in search of my own means of making ISK. I do however have restrictions:

I obviously have a low security status that will inevitably plummet in the coming future - so high-sec is a no-go for me. I can fly Minmatar Battlecruisers/HACs with the core tech 2 modules & guns fitted, can also fly Loki's, Minmatar and Gallente Drone-boat Battleships (No Tech 2 guns however).

Also the region of space we reside in is very active with other roaming gangs - so soloing safely is going to be pretty hard, also considering most of my corp mates are inactive during the daytime till about 7pmish.

So I am wondering if any kind-hearted, fellow pirates out there (juxtaposed?) could help me find some footing in this area. Do you have any advice as to what I can do?

Edit: Here is my skillsheet - What can I do with this skillset in lowsec that will make me ISK? (Shield Management is now lvl 5 though and I got the skills to overheat modules too)
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Crom_Domison


Thanks - Crom
Plutonian
Intransigent
#2 - 2012-02-14 02:55:52 UTC
You can trade (skills are quick to train on an alt... can be easily added onto a hauler alt).

You can rat in quiet systems. (Nearly as boring as missions TBH.)

You can purchase/train an alt for Empire stuff (Missions/Incursions/etc).

You can do lowsec exploration. (Cannot help here... never done it, but heard it is fairly lucrative.)
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
United Caldari Space Command.
#3 - 2012-02-14 06:37:33 UTC
Plutonian wrote:
You can trade (skills are quick to train on an alt... can be easily added onto a hauler alt).

You can rat in quiet systems. (Nearly as boring as missions TBH.)

You can purchase/train an alt for Empire stuff (Missions/Incursions/etc).

You can do lowsec exploration. (Cannot help here... never done it, but heard it is fairly lucrative.)


Lowsec exploration is lucrative. There's also WH PVP and PVE as well.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .

Johanne D'Arc
Rhine and Courtesan
#4 - 2012-02-14 07:56:47 UTC
Fly 10-15m isk arty thrashers and live off the loot you get from silly frig pilots carrying way too much ammo and fitting fancy mods.
Rancyin
Balls Deep Inc.
#5 - 2012-02-14 08:46:41 UTC
Fit a Ishtar. Scan down DED sites. rince and repeat. should be able to solo upto 8/10.



Xylorn Hasher
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-02-14 08:51:31 UTC
I started a pirate career more than 2 years ago with around 1 Bil ISK in my wallet, 3 fitted canes, Hound and a Jaguar.
Now i have more than 15 Bils ISK all earned in lowsec without any help from from hisec alts ( except from hauling loot to hubs ).
Sure i have lost some ship for around 3 Bils ISK worth in that time.

My tip for you and every other pirate who wants to be quite rich is: Probing, probing and PI.

PI done in low makes you easly 150m / week per char and its only 5 days of training for 5 planets.

Plexes, Radars and other stuff is all about luck, my experience average profit from that activity is 200-300m per 2 hours of job every day.

You may ask so why i have only 15 Bils?
Well im lazy. I do probing like once or twice a week only - there is no need to farm more as im paying my subs with $$.

Also having all sites probed in your neighborhood gives you obvious advantage Twisted

All my posts are made shortly after Marihuana consumption.

Sutskop
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-02-14 09:03:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Sutskop
Xylorn Hasher wrote:

PI done in low makes you easly 150m / week per char and its only 5 days of training for 5 planets.


This. PI is very easy money in lowsec. Train up your other two accounts and make almost passive ISK.
Plexes are too random for my taste. PI is steady and easy.

Or be a good pirate and loot more than you lose ;)
Plutonian
Intransigent
#8 - 2012-02-14 09:19:04 UTC
Xylorn Hasher wrote:
I started a pirate career more than 2 years ago with around 1 Bil ISK in my wallet, 3 fitted canes, Hound and a Jaguar.
Now i have more than 15 Bils ISK all earned in lowsec without any help from from hisec alts ( except from hauling loot to hubs ).
Sure i have lost some ship for around 3 Bils ISK worth in that time.

My tip for you and every other pirate who wants to be quite rich is: Probing, probing and PI.

PI done in low makes you easly 150m / week per char and its only 5 days of training for 5 planets.

Plexes, Radars and other stuff is all about luck, my experience average profit from that activity is 200-300m per 2 hours of job every day.

You may ask so why i have only 15 Bils?
Well im lazy. I do probing like once or twice a week only - there is no need to farm more as im paying my subs with $$.

Also having all sites probed in your neighborhood gives you obvious advantage Twisted

I'm impressed. You, sir, would be a traditional lone-wolf pirate. That's what I need to do... drop this e-honor, frig-duel bullshit and get serious about hurting people.

Do you use a single account?

How many hours would you say you play per week? Do you suffer long empty roams once you're known in local and have to pull up stakes and find new areas?

Any advice?
Xi 'xar
Rift Watch
#9 - 2012-02-14 09:53:10 UTC
I tried some PI a while back but found it too boring to deal with.

Lowsec exploration, including the odd wormhole can be quite lucrative.

Also, don't forget your salvager (even as an offline heatsink). Salvaging T2 / T3 wrecks (which you have hopefully taken part in killing) can quite easily pay for many of your losses and / or keep you in ships.

http://herdingwolves.wordpress.com/

Zosius
The Nordic Associates
Insidious.
#10 - 2012-02-14 10:24:21 UTC
Rancyin wrote:
Fit a Ishtar. Scan down DED sites. rince and repeat. should be able to solo upto 8/10.





I love how some people blabber anything without thinking. First off, there is no 8/10 in low sec. And to explore in null you need scout or your ishtar will die before you get decent loot in your cargo.

Second. He is not gallente. Ishtar is too skill intensive to be effective. Not to mention you need to know region. You could not solo 6/10 in blood region with ishtar. Probably not even 5/10.

I would suggest doing ratting with cloaky ship. Best income with little risk if ur careful. Exploration is an option, but need quite extra skills. Can do radars/mags/4.10s in bc easy.

Missions. Though i personally never passed lvl2 standings, my friends get nice rewards from lowsec missioning. Just take some ships with fits to quiet system with a station and do some grinding.

Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-02-14 16:14:43 UTC
cause no one else suggested it, poker (EOH), if your good at it

I has all the eve inactivity

Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
United Caldari Space Command.
#12 - 2012-02-14 19:28:51 UTC
Xylorn Hasher wrote:
I started a pirate career more than 2 years ago with around 1 Bil ISK in my wallet, 3 fitted canes, Hound and a Jaguar.
Now i have more than 15 Bils ISK all earned in lowsec without any help from from hisec alts ( except from hauling loot to hubs ).
Sure i have lost some ship for around 3 Bils ISK worth in that time.

My tip for you and every other pirate who wants to be quite rich is: Probing, probing and PI.

PI done in low makes you easly 150m / week per char and its only 5 days of training for 5 planets.

Plexes, Radars and other stuff is all about luck, my experience average profit from that activity is 200-300m per 2 hours of job every day.

You may ask so why i have only 15 Bils?
Well im lazy. I do probing like once or twice a week only - there is no need to farm more as im paying my subs with $$.

Also having all sites probed in your neighborhood gives you obvious advantage Twisted


I gotta say that it's rare to hear of any pirate admitting to doing PI. One may even refer to you as a Pirate-Bear :)

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .

Johanne D'Arc
Rhine and Courtesan
#13 - 2012-02-14 19:37:17 UTC
Doing PVE doesn't automatically tag you a carebear, only an idiot thinks that way. Carebears are the risk averse cowards that have no interest in any combat or generally contributory participation in the game and just whore up ISK and spend it on dumb overly expensive ships.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#14 - 2012-02-14 22:13:09 UTC
Johanne D'Arc wrote:
Doing PVE doesn't automatically tag you a carebear, only an idiot thinks that way.


Agreed. I'm not consistent with anything often enough to do PI, but I do a lot of exploration. It pays the bills and yields shiny mods for my PVP ships that I don't have to pay for. (cue some annoying min/maxer talking about opportunity cost like anybody but them cares)

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Crom Domison
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-02-15 01:43:51 UTC
Crom Domison wrote:
Edit: Here is my skillsheet - What can I do with this skillset in lowsec that will make me ISK? (Shield Management is now lvl 5 though and I got the skills to overheat modules too)
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Crom_Domison


I added this to the OP as it may help my cause a little.
Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#16 - 2012-02-15 04:36:50 UTC
As a non-pirate who lives in low sec, I highly recommend Exploration as well.

It's a lucrative profession and with your pew pew skills you should be able to easily manage ded plexes and whatnot.

All you need is some scanning skills and some hacking for the radar sites.

It's also very much a random profession, as some days you won't find many sites, and the ones you do find have lousy loots, while on other days, you find sites all over the place and hit those big bonanza's.

It's my profession of choice when I'm not in high sec hauling manufacturing stuff.

Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?

Lana Torrin
Friends of Tristan
#17 - 2012-02-15 04:44:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Lana Torrin
Protip: Learn salvaging 5 and put a salvager in your utility high slot (assuming it doesnt break the fit and isnt being used for anything else). Kill anything T2 or T3, salvage it..

I used to make enough to replace the odd ship loss here and there (so dont be ****) and it gives you a good incentive to actualy fight when you are low on cash.

Also a highsec alt is a good idea so it can make the money for you. (Corp theft is great for this and I highly recomend it, but dont ever do this to your pirate corp or you will never pirate again)

Edit: You WILL get laughed at by your fellow pirates when they catch you doing this, but toughen up as its an easy way to make 15-20Mil a day.
Xylorn Hasher
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-02-15 09:54:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Xylorn Hasher
Deen Wispa wrote:

I gotta say that it's rare to hear of any pirate admitting to doing PI. One may even refer to you as a Pirate-Bear :)


Yep someone might say that, in that case i would be the first carebear with -10 sec status. But thing is: I DON'T CARE.
I'm pirate, an opportunist, true free man. I do what i want, go where i want and kill what i want. No policy, no bonds no bullshit.
That day two years ago i went below -5 sec status was the best day in this game.
This is my definition of a pirate.

Those to say to someone a carebear just for doing a plex in low forgot from where they got their ISKies.
And i tell ya they usually run lv4 missions in hisec on alts or rat in null on alts that are part of pet corps, all this just to keep perfect -10.00000 ? I lol on them.
It's as pathetic as putting a bounty on your own head cuz noone sane enough wont put hundreads of mils on someone's head with current game mechanic.

Plutonian wrote:


I'm impressed. You, sir, would be a traditional lone-wolf pirate. That's what I need to do... drop this e-honor, frig-duel bullshit and get serious about hurting people.

Do you use a single account?

How many hours would you say you play per week? Do you suffer long empty roams once you're known in local and have to pull up stakes and find new areas?

Any advice?


First thing. There in no such a thing like e-honour. Yes i honor ransoms and ill let you go if you pay. But don't expect much more.
Even if you are 2 days old player in a Thrasher on belt or harmless Hoader on gate i'll engage kill your ship and pod you if you are too slow to warp away. That's because you have loot and a corpse that i can have.
In the end of the day only counts that you killed your prey. No matter how.

I own two accounts.
I play 4-5 hours per day, more at wekends.
Yes lowsec is sometimes empty, but hunting is all about being in right place on right time. You must be patient cuz this job is far from insta action. Well i operate in Heimatar area. I think 90% of my kills were made in same 3 or 4 systems. You can check my KB on battleclinic.

All my posts are made shortly after Marihuana consumption.

Xylorn Hasher
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-02-15 20:09:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Xylorn Hasher
Or just have some luck like i had a few minutes ago:

300m ISK Mammoth kill all dropped

All my posts are made shortly after Marihuana consumption.

Plutonian
Intransigent
#20 - 2012-02-16 04:36:06 UTC
Nice kill. And thanks for the advice.

I was really hoping the 'traditional pirate' role you do would be less time intensive. I guess I was hoping that by dropping the e-honor thing I'd have a wider selection of targets which would shorten hunts.

I'm at a crossroads; I keep trying to find a way to keep Eve manageable, but can't find anything resembling a casual play-style. Even flying T1 frigates solo can leave you hunting for hours some nights. Not to mention the logistics side of things. Perhaps what I'm seeking does not exist in a MMO.

Eve always steals more time than I'd like... more time than I'm willing to allow.


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