Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Let's alter the game every time players do something that affects the world in a way that you don't like.

Simple Fix.

Tie moo goo to IHUB's and Orbital Enhancers.

IHUB = Determains the volume for the entire solar system.

L1 = 10%
L2 = 25%
L3 = 40%
L4 = 70%
L5 = 100%

% Based on current cycle output of 100

Orbital Enhancer = Determines the desired moon goo

Much like a Custom Office works now a Orbital Enhancer would need to be built, transported, anchored and given the appropriate upgrade to determine what element is to be enhanced. (The harvesting and silos need not be changed)

This would remove the static location of high end moons, give alliances something new to fight over, stop the monopoly over these minerals from huge alliances and make industrial corporations who can accomplish this task more desirable.

Like PI it could be transitioned to so the big fat moon holders do not cry too loudly about losing income since they just need to upgrade what they already have if they wish to continue producing the material.

As a holder of 2 personal tech moons, I dislike this idea.

double post

There is no question that if I had my way, hundreds if not thousands of players would suffer greatly economically, but it would level the playing field between sov holders and smaller groups. It would even allow genuinely new mining characters to get in on the action (bring back ninja mining!). It would make mining a viable non-bot profession once again. Moon mining has hard limits on it which we've long ago reached. It's time for a radical change in how it's done. I think active mining is the way to go no matter how many people hate the idea of actually having to undock a hulk in order to build a zealot.

I dislike PI from a philosophical game design standpoint, but I don't view it as a problem. It's basically an infinite super low end resource much like veldspar. People botting the hell out of it and afk mining it 24/7 just isn't significant to the rest to the game. As such, I may dislike it but I don't view it as an issue worthy of further discussion at this time.

Anyways, active mining falls right into your idea. An IHUB would determine ladar site spawn rate rather than yield from moons. So it's the same idea with different implementation. Obviously if I got my way and it was converted to ladar site spawns, it would be available in all of low/null sec (even w-space) just like other exploration sites. The IHUB would merely ensure a higher spawn chance than without one.

Confirming POS bashing is the most fun you can have in eve. Also confirming that I would never attempt to kill a miner in low/null sec if they actually mined there. And finally I'd like to confirm that said miner's alliance would never attempt to stop me from doing so or attempt any sort of reprisal if I did.

I'm all for moons serving a purpose, but I think it should be shifted away from resource gathering and over to refining and production. I'm no expert on POS's (I shun them tbh) but it's my understanding they currently don't offer much in the way of manufacturing and refining advantages over stations. If that were to change, those who love POS warfare could still have it. Could even have different moons give different bonuses to production speed of different items for example. Could also have some moons grant reduced fuel usage to any POS anchored around it or enhanced defensive capabilities. This could maintain certain moons as high value assets without them actually creating any resources directly.

I haven't thought this through, just tossing out ideas.

except moon mining is not manufacturing or refining now is it?

Danika Princip

What about lowsec and NPC 0.0 tech moons? No ihubs there, so I assume 0%?

As for replacing ti with mining, I too would like to bot tech.

You know Danika after a great deal of thought I think its about time the low sec guys got some love....

The big alliances already have their huge isk machine in the form of rent, valuable ore's, high end ratting and station taxes.

So here is a thought... Why not just shift all those high end moons to low sec period.

I have been playing for 4 years and in the beginning of my eve career I lived in low sec for awhile and the residents there not only have to deal with nasty sec hits for fighting for the little turf they claim but the mechanics are quite different, like having to deal with gate guns and station guns.

There really is no good reason to live in low sec other than controlling a choke point or a jumping off point to null sec.

Null has no sec hits, no gate or station fire and the large alliances really would rather not deal with the turf battles since they cannot place their name on the sov.

That said why not give those guys some love :)

The idea of using IHUB's could still apply in SOV claimable space just make it NPC based upgrades at a ridiculously high price so if you really want to make T2 products at home it will make your solar system a high value target to coincide with your high value return.

As far as NPC space, nah they already get all the really good stuff mentioned above with no risk of losing sov or station docking rights. If you live in sov space you realize there is always a risk your valuables will get stuck in a station somewhere and if you undock your jump clone you cant get back easily.

NPC space guarantees certain protections like living in High Sec.

But its been a very very long time since Low Sec got any love at all !

I am sure this would make CCP happy too considering the POS bashing would no doubt create a nice sized ISK sink and if the big boys wanted to control those areas it will cost them dearly in sec hits dealing with the reinforce timers and neutrals coming in not only from Null but HS as well :)

My point exactly.

Risk vs. Reward

Sov controlled space, very little risk for the moon miner with a large alliance surrounding him and so deep into enemy territory it is hard (not impossible) to get a good fleet in to capture the area.

So why bother with low sec? Why try to moon mine and defend a POS so close to High Sec when there are far better options.

However: If after generations of mining these valuable moons in deep space they was to dry up, tap out and become utterly useless then the need for rarely mined moons rich in T2 materials from generations of neglect would now get a second look

The reward is obviously great or the powers that be would not be constantly fighting over the isk faucet

So now if the tables turned those wishing to control those valued assets would now need to reconsider their warfare tactics, security rating and decide if the reward is worth the risk.

And if it was the only game in town I am quite certain even if the large alliances turned their noses up to it smaller entities would emerge, coalitions would form and war would escalate in these remote low sec pockets to bring the goods to market.

In the simplest terms it would be a gold rush!

And the low sec guys would now have even more reason to draw their swords and rally together around the new gold mine :)