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hammerheads vs 200mm autocannons
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MinorFreak
Ordo Arcana
#1 - 2012-02-13 22:13:47 UTC
how fast will hammerhead 2s die under the fire of a sabre armed with 200mm autocannons with faction emp armor? would it be better to use warriors even though their damage output and type will be weaker? i'll be using drone durability rigs if it's worth it.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#2 - 2012-02-14 00:01:41 UTC
Depends on the ship you're using, really. If it's something that doesn't get drone bonuses, I would use Warriors and hope the Sabre didn't switch away from Barrage. Hammerheads sort of suck at dealing with frigates/dessies. Plus, the thermal damage they do is the Sabre's second highest resist.

You might actually be best off running with Valkyries. They do explosive damage, are faster, and track better than Hammerheads.

Or... Use EC-600 jamming drones. Interdictors (and particularly the Sabre) are horribly easy to jam.

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MinorFreak
Ordo Arcana
#3 - 2012-02-14 02:45:06 UTC
thx alot. hmmm...well, i'm dealing with this sabre in particular:
[Sabre]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Scan Resolution
Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
Improved Cloaking Device II
Interdiction Sphere Launcher I, Warp Disrupt Probe
Small Projectile Burst Aerator I
Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I

i'm dealing with twice the amount of shield than armor, so i'll take 20% shield resistance to TH in order to grind down the 35% armor resist to TH. against pure thermal EveHQ says is this sabre's lowest effective HP.

As for the hint about EC-600. uhm...http://pmic-eve.info/ECM_Calc/ECM_Chance_Calculator.html# says one 7.5 point vespa will jam a sabre 83% of the time (1 light ecm gives 55% chance)...

you say medium drones suck vs dessies/frigates? hmmm...well, 1 vespa ec-600 along with 4 hobgoblins should do some damage. i'd be scrambling him so he'd be down to 120m/s - whatcha think about the chances of hammerheads then?
Kid Chaos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-02-14 17:50:21 UTC
People seem really confused about ECM drones for some reason. The EC-600 Vespa has a jamming power of 1.5 for a single drone. 7.5 is for a fleet of them, and also they don't really stack that way so your jam strength isn't really equal to 7.5 on a single target, either.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#5 - 2012-02-14 19:07:30 UTC
i would expect the sabre to be able to kill the drones before the drones kill him. How fast he decides to target and kill the drones depends on other factors, including the ship you're flying and his piloting skill.

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MinorFreak
Ordo Arcana
#6 - 2012-02-14 19:17:50 UTC
Kid Chaos wrote:
People seem really confused about ECM drones for some reason. The EC-600 Vespa has a jamming power of 1.5 for a single drone. 7.5 is for a fleet of them, and also they don't really stack that way so your jam strength isn't really equal to 7.5 on a single target, either.

damn. okay, was reading the drone info sheet wrong then.
Batelle wrote:
i would expect the sabre to be able to kill the drones before the drones kill him. How fast he decides to target and kill the drones depends on other factors, including the ship you're flying and his piloting skill.
okay, so definitely drone durability rigs plus warrior 2s to make it harder to kill? i should i just go hammerheads and keep pumping them out till he's dead?
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#7 - 2012-02-14 19:49:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
There is almost never a good reason to use drone durability rigs. The saber will engage the drones if they are the only credible threat and he's unable to kill you fast enough. If your drones are the only credible threat, and you're not in a pve ship, I can only imagine you're in an amarr drone boat with neutralizers/utility in the highslots. The best answer here is to just keep sending out more drones until he dies. If you're in a gallente drone boat, also continue sending out more drones until he dies, AND shoot him with blasters. Fitting drone durability rigs will generally just gimp your ships defenses and fitting. I can't be any more detailed unless you say what ship you're planning to use.

i would stick with hammerhead ii's, I doubt they'll have trouble hitting a shield extended sabre (could be wrong) , plus they might survive long enough for you to retract them individually. Also they hit harder and on his weaker resists.

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Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-02-14 19:55:43 UTC
Hint - tracking disruption can help to keep your drones alive.

Also, your hobgoblins are the slowest of the drones which makes them the hardest to keep alive... it's one of the reason why warriors are so popular in PVP situations, they simply last longer (in spite of lower ehp)